[sudoroom] Proposal to rent biohack room and fishbowl

Tony Barreca tony.barreca at gmail.com
Fri Oct 26 22:10:34 CEST 2012 

I've added Rusty's personal response to the thread.

Many excellent responses, but now there's a real red flag.  If the primary
intent is to set up a real recording facility in the space, the budget will
require some readjustment.  True sound isolation, if that's what's
required, is really expensive.




On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:46 PM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com>wrote:

> How do you do vo work with talking in the background... How do you reduce
> room noise?  Headphones are also bad for your ears and are not ideal for
> mixing professional tracks...
> On Oct 26, 2012 12:27 PM, "Tony Barreca" <tony.barreca at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps I'm completely clueless here, but I've done a ton of video
>> editing in development (i.e., programming) environments, and earphones
>> worked perfectly while avoiding disruptions or interference.  I wonder if
>> sound containment really deserves to be on the list?
>>
>> I suspect that minimizing constraints is probably a good idea.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Seems to me we have a few global needs which capture a large swath of
>>> interests:
>>>
>>> 1. Common, empty working table space. Somewhere to throw laptops down
>>> and have a huddle, or to open something up and put it back together.
>>> 2. Fixed station space. A few stations dedicated to particular, open
>>> usage (maybe a computer terminal, a 3-d printer, or some other device).
>>> 2. (a) some of these stations may have delicate concerns (e.g.
>>> ventilation for soldering, sound containment for recording).
>>> 3. Water and sink. Access or proximity to water and a sink are necessary
>>> for various activities.
>>> 4. Windows and air. Access or proximity to outside air is necessary for
>>> various activities. I think this model might be a useful conceptual one,
>>> and please remix or build on it if you think it's useful!
>>>  *
>>> Open working space, fixed stations *(w/ various insulation)*,**accessible water/plumbing fixtures,
>>> *and *accessible window(s)/air*.
>>>
>>> // Matt
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> these are great additional points to consider. let's discuss more
>>>> tomorrow!
>>>>
>>>> - marina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM, rusty lindgren <
>>>> rustylindgren at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Marina,
>>>>>
>>>>> I could help you set-up a very nice recording area, and could help
>>>>> procure some basic gear, and rent other gear, and I think we could cart
>>>>> things back and forth depending on that need.  It also fits the requirement
>>>>> of "quiet-time," so we could have that designation for certain times, like
>>>>> programming and video work, or something.   Given that, the other basic
>>>>> requirements would be this:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. Somewhere we can be quiet during certain times
>>>>>    2. A quiet space or one  that is capable of handling some basic
>>>>>    rigging with sound blankets
>>>>>    3. An  8x8 area
>>>>>
>>>>> Beyond that, I will be very welcoming to anyone who wants to do
>>>>> multi-media work, and will try my best to set up a gear fund, or lend out
>>>>> my personal gear at a small fee for group members.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else should let me know, because it will help with planning,
>>>>> and my decision making process.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i am interested in multimedia, mostly focusing on audio production
>>>>>> (sudoradio!). not sure why your x got deleted - i'm sure it was a glitch!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - marina
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:26 AM, rusty lindgren <
>>>>>> rustylindgren at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My "x" got deleted for video/multimedia.  Does anyone else want
>>>>>>> video/multi-media space?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel like people could really take advantage of that, and I would
>>>>>>> be able to rent out my equipment at a very low rate to members and do skill
>>>>>>> trade.  If not, I will probably charge more money, and rent out one of the
>>>>>>> other spaces myself, and I would need to know very soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Matthew Senate <
>>>>>>> mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To save you the trouble of opening that Word Document, please see
>>>>>>>> below:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Minimal Satisfactory Rental*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Top Activity Priorities – percent in favor:*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 57% computer workstation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 57% 3D printer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 52% soldering workstation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 48% classroom space
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 48% couches
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 48% group working spaces
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 38% wet lab
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 38% laser cutting/engraving
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 38% bicycle/human powered repair station
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 38% rooftop forest / vertical hanging garden
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 33% hammocks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 33% bookshelves/library
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Out of 21 respondents, recorded *here<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqBO4Q7UXSgXdDdIR1hUN3FhTGN3b0FEMGJvVU5yaFE#gid=0>
>>>>>>>> * as of 10/26 and subject to my best arithmetic / copypaste.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Satisfactory Space Discussion*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of the top three activities, the soldering workstation has the
>>>>>>>> greatest constraint in that it requires ventilation. Unless one of the $900
>>>>>>>> rooms can be fitted with ventilation, the windows in the biohack room would
>>>>>>>> be critical for this activity. Of the next 3 activities, a classroom space
>>>>>>>> and meeting space are provided ready to use downstairs, and couches for
>>>>>>>> hacking back in comfort can be placed upstairs either in the sudo-exclusive
>>>>>>>> space or I would assume in the common use space if other renters agree. The
>>>>>>>> absolute cheapest upstairs room is the mezzanine at $300, which would not
>>>>>>>> be suitable for more than 2 people working at a time and is therefore
>>>>>>>> excluded from this proposal. The minimum size requirements would be met by
>>>>>>>> renting one $900 room and the $175 closet, thereby retaining access to both
>>>>>>>> floors. To enable soldering and wet lab activities and provide more storage
>>>>>>>> space, the incremental cost to rent the next more expensive room is $600.
>>>>>>>> The incremental cost of retaining the fishbowl instead of the closet is
>>>>>>>> $225, which would provide better visibility for events and a nicer
>>>>>>>> environment for compact activities at about twice the price per square foot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Rental Cost*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Assuming $100/mo utility)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Minimal Rental $1,175
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Minimal Rental prioritizing fishbowl $1,400
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Minimal Rental prioritizing biohack room $1,775
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Minimal Satisfactory Rental:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (biohack room + fishbowl) $2,000
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Baseline Revenues*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sudoroom only
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * 25 ppl x $50*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * subtotal dues = $1,250*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> others from *this
>>>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsQ2Ur3gqJI_dFRyalZjOHQzYmotZkxNWU9lLXhEeHc#gid=0>
>>>>>>>> document<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsQ2Ur3gqJI_dFRyalZjOHQzYmotZkxNWU9lLXhEeHc#gid=0>
>>>>>>>> * minus $50 baseline dues
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * $270 jae personal projects area*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * $200 felicia personal projects area*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * $200 hol personal projects area*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * subtotal personal space rental = $670*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> total dues + personal space rental = *$1,920*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Proposal*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Personal space rental is over 2/3 of the rent of the a $900
>>>>>>>> upstairs room from the three parties above alone, which would not leave
>>>>>>>> sufficient group work/storage space. As the closet is only used for storage
>>>>>>>> and there is a nice storagey looking room in the biohack space, and the
>>>>>>>> fishbowl is much cooler, I propose going for the minimal satisfactory
>>>>>>>> rental outlined above. We are almost right on the money for rental (not
>>>>>>>> factoring in utilities or one-time costs) and I expect there will be more
>>>>>>>> membership interest with a wet lab, adequate ventilation, and a
>>>>>>>> street-facing area on the first floor. This will satisfy the space
>>>>>>>> requirements for each activity having at least one third of members in
>>>>>>>> support – with the likely exception of vertical hanging gardens.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Proposed Contingency Plans*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Backup Plan (--)*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If sufficient personal space rental or dues is unlikely to
>>>>>>>> materialize in time or we want more for the rainy day fund, I propose to
>>>>>>>> abandon the fish bowl and stick to the closet for a total cost of $1,775.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Expanded Plan (++)*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If there's enough interest in additional groups joining or
>>>>>>>> otherwise viable plans for generating revenue, I propose adding on a $900
>>>>>>>> room for a total cost of $2,900 or less if discounted. We should also
>>>>>>>> remain open to adding the extra space in a different building, still under
>>>>>>>> the sudoroom umbrella but better suited to some of the dirtier/dustier
>>>>>>>> activities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This document may be modified and freely distributed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:44 AM, <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  I won't be around oakland or computers this weekend so I want to
>>>>>>>>> go ahead and submit my proposal.  Now I can start packing...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the gathering Saturday!
>>>>>>>>> Hol
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Rusty Lindgren**
>>>>>>> Digital Publishing / Web Solutions*
>>>>>>> ***   Phone: 916-220-5340   *
>>>>>>> *
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>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> *Rusty Lindgren**
>>>>> Digital Publishing / Web Solutions*
>>>>> ***   Phone: 916-220-5340   *
>>>>> *
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>>>>> **
>>>>>
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