[sudoroom] Proposal to rent biohack room and fishbowl

Andrew andrew at roshambomedia.com
Fri Oct 26 22:21:54 CEST 2012 

Hi,

I would love to see a room for recording and mixing. If it doesn't
work with the space that understandable, but I don't think full sound
isolation is necessary. For mixing all that would be required would be
a small room with a door that would be isolated in some way from other
people who want quiet. For recording, I think it would be fair to
limit that to vocals only, which, even in the most ideal situations,
would just need a closet sized space with good isolation, but really
that's not even totally necessary, just ideal.

Thanks,
Andrew

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Tony Barreca <tony.barreca at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've added Rusty's personal response to the thread.
>
> Many excellent responses, but now there's a real red flag.  If the primary
> intent is to set up a real recording facility in the space, the budget will
> require some readjustment.  True sound isolation, if that's what's required,
> is really expensive.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:46 PM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> How do you do vo work with talking in the background... How do you reduce
>> room noise?  Headphones are also bad for your ears and are not ideal for
>> mixing professional tracks...
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2012 12:27 PM, "Tony Barreca" <tony.barreca at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps I'm completely clueless here, but I've done a ton of video
>>> editing in development (i.e., programming) environments, and earphones
>>> worked perfectly while avoiding disruptions or interference.  I wonder if
>>> sound containment really deserves to be on the list?
>>>
>>> I suspect that minimizing constraints is probably a good idea.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Seems to me we have a few global needs which capture a large swath of
>>>> interests:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Common, empty working table space. Somewhere to throw laptops down
>>>> and have a huddle, or to open something up and put it back together.
>>>> 2. Fixed station space. A few stations dedicated to particular, open
>>>> usage (maybe a computer terminal, a 3-d printer, or some other device).
>>>> 2. (a) some of these stations may have delicate concerns (e.g.
>>>> ventilation for soldering, sound containment for recording).
>>>> 3. Water and sink. Access or proximity to water and a sink are necessary
>>>> for various activities.
>>>> 4. Windows and air. Access or proximity to outside air is necessary for
>>>> various activities. I think this model might be a useful conceptual one, and
>>>> please remix or build on it if you think it's useful!
>>>>
>>>> Open working space, fixed stations (w/ various insulation), accessible
>>>> water/plumbing fixtures, and accessible window(s)/air.
>>>>
>>>> // Matt
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> these are great additional points to consider. let's discuss more
>>>>> tomorrow!
>>>>>
>>>>> - marina
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM, rusty lindgren
>>>>> <rustylindgren at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Marina,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could help you set-up a very nice recording area, and could help
>>>>>> procure some basic gear, and rent other gear, and I think we could cart
>>>>>> things back and forth depending on that need.  It also fits the requirement
>>>>>> of "quiet-time," so we could have that designation for certain times, like
>>>>>> programming and video work, or something.   Given that, the other basic
>>>>>> requirements would be this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Somewhere we can be quiet during certain times
>>>>>> A quiet space or one  that is capable of handling some basic rigging
>>>>>> with sound blankets
>>>>>> An  8x8 area
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beyond that, I will be very welcoming to anyone who wants to do
>>>>>> multi-media work, and will try my best to set up a gear fund, or lend out my
>>>>>> personal gear at a small fee for group members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone else should let me know, because it will help with planning,
>>>>>> and my decision making process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Marina Kukso
>>>>>> <marina.kukso at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hi everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i am interested in multimedia, mostly focusing on audio production
>>>>>>> (sudoradio!). not sure why your x got deleted - i'm sure it was a glitch!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - marina
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:26 AM, rusty lindgren
>>>>>>> <rustylindgren at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My "x" got deleted for video/multimedia.  Does anyone else want
>>>>>>>> video/multi-media space?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I feel like people could really take advantage of that, and I would
>>>>>>>> be able to rent out my equipment at a very low rate to members and do skill
>>>>>>>> trade.  If not, I will probably charge more money, and rent out one of the
>>>>>>>> other spaces myself, and I would need to know very soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please let me know,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rusty
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Matthew Senate
>>>>>>>> <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To save you the trouble of opening that Word Document, please see
>>>>>>>>> below:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Minimal Satisfactory Rental
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Top Activity Priorities – percent in favor:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 57% computer workstation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 57% 3D printer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 52% soldering workstation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 48% classroom space
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 48% couches
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 48% group working spaces
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 38% wet lab
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 38% laser cutting/engraving
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 38% bicycle/human powered repair station
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 38% rooftop forest / vertical hanging garden
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 33% hammocks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 33% bookshelves/library
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Out of 21 respondents, recorded here as of 10/26 and subject to my
>>>>>>>>> best arithmetic / copypaste.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Satisfactory Space Discussion
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of the top three activities, the soldering workstation has the
>>>>>>>>> greatest constraint in that it requires ventilation. Unless one of the $900
>>>>>>>>> rooms can be fitted with ventilation, the windows in the biohack room would
>>>>>>>>> be critical for this activity. Of the next 3 activities, a classroom space
>>>>>>>>> and meeting space are provided ready to use downstairs, and couches for
>>>>>>>>> hacking back in comfort can be placed upstairs either in the sudo-exclusive
>>>>>>>>> space or I would assume in the common use space if other renters agree. The
>>>>>>>>> absolute cheapest upstairs room is the mezzanine at $300, which would not be
>>>>>>>>> suitable for more than 2 people working at a time and is therefore excluded
>>>>>>>>> from this proposal. The minimum size requirements would be met by renting
>>>>>>>>> one $900 room and the $175 closet, thereby retaining access to both floors.
>>>>>>>>> To enable soldering and wet lab activities and provide more storage space,
>>>>>>>>> the incremental cost to rent the next more expensive room is $600. The
>>>>>>>>> incremental cost of retaining the fishbowl instead of the closet is $225,
>>>>>>>>> which would provide better visibility for events and a nicer environment for
>>>>>>>>> compact activities at about twice the price per square foot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rental Cost
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (Assuming $100/mo utility)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Minimal Rental $1,175
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Minimal Rental prioritizing fishbowl $1,400
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Minimal Rental prioritizing biohack room $1,775
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Minimal Satisfactory Rental:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (biohack room + fishbowl) $2,000
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Baseline Revenues
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sudoroom only
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 25 ppl x $50
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> subtotal dues = $1,250
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> others from this document minus $50 baseline dues
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $270 jae personal projects area
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $200 felicia personal projects area
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $200 hol personal projects area
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> subtotal personal space rental = $670
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> total dues + personal space rental = $1,920
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Proposal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Personal space rental is over 2/3 of the rent of the a $900
>>>>>>>>> upstairs room from the three parties above alone, which would not leave
>>>>>>>>> sufficient group work/storage space. As the closet is only used for storage
>>>>>>>>> and there is a nice storagey looking room in the biohack space, and the
>>>>>>>>> fishbowl is much cooler, I propose going for the minimal satisfactory rental
>>>>>>>>> outlined above. We are almost right on the money for rental (not factoring
>>>>>>>>> in utilities or one-time costs) and I expect there will be more membership
>>>>>>>>> interest with a wet lab, adequate ventilation, and a street-facing area on
>>>>>>>>> the first floor. This will satisfy the space requirements for each activity
>>>>>>>>> having at least one third of members in support – with the likely exception
>>>>>>>>> of vertical hanging gardens.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Proposed Contingency Plans
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Backup Plan (--)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If sufficient personal space rental or dues is unlikely to
>>>>>>>>> materialize in time or we want more for the rainy day fund, I propose to
>>>>>>>>> abandon the fish bowl and stick to the closet for a total cost of $1,775.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Expanded Plan (++)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If there's enough interest in additional groups joining or
>>>>>>>>> otherwise viable plans for generating revenue, I propose adding on a $900
>>>>>>>>> room for a total cost of $2,900 or less if discounted. We should also remain
>>>>>>>>> open to adding the extra space in a different building, still under the
>>>>>>>>> sudoroom umbrella but better suited to some of the dirtier/dustier
>>>>>>>>> activities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This document may be modified and freely distributed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:44 AM, <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I won't be around oakland or computers this weekend so I want to
>>>>>>>>>> go ahead and submit my proposal.  Now I can start packing...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the gathering Saturday!
>>>>>>>>>> Hol
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rusty Lindgren
>>>>>>>> Digital Publishing / Web Solutions
>>>>>>>>    Phone: 916-220-5340
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rusty Lindgren
>>>>>> Digital Publishing / Web Solutions
>>>>>>    Phone: 916-220-5340
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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