[sudoroom] Proposal to rent biohack room and fishbowl

[Matthew Senate]

Hey all,

I understand people have different opinions about media recording and
editing spaces.

Let's step back a bit.

It seems to me we're trying to upgrade our current outfit (sub-ideal
space), but by no means should we settle completely and assume we will be
stuck with some particular infrastructure forever. We can grow, we can
adapt, we can move. And most importantly we need to learn to:

*collaborate and share with each other.*

I was *trying* to offer a *generalized framework* to think about the many
components each of us wants to see work in any space we form:

*Open working space,* *some fixed stations*, *accessible water/plumbing
fixtures*, and *accessible window(s)/air.*

Doesn't it make sense that we leave some freedom to try new things out, and
change our patterns as we work them out? Is there any reason to halt an
idea now before we know what would *actually* happen? Further, Jenny's
suggestion is really great. If folks are looking for a particular guarantee
of high sound insulation, they may want to go in on a small or remote space
in the building in question or elsewhere. But maybe, for all intents in
purposes, it could worked wrapped together with some others. By
experimenting, listening, and adapting we'll actually know, rather than
hypothesizing.

I'd also like to point you to this note about benefits in the Articles of
Association: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Compact
Section 2.3 Benefits

The following are benefits available to all members:

   - Usable assets and resources available within reasonable constraints of
   time and under the condition of sharing.
      - *sudo room* strives to make assets and resources available to as
      many non-member participants and beneficiaries as possible.
      - Note: no personal property should be stored in *sudo room* unless a
      system for personal storage can be provided by *sudo room*.
      - Note: the use of *sudo room* environments for habitation and/or
      domestic use is strongly discouraged unless designated by *sudo room*.


// Matt

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would love to see a room for recording and mixing. If it doesn't
> work with the space that understandable, but I don't think full sound
> isolation is necessary. For mixing all that would be required would be
> a small room with a door that would be isolated in some way from other
> people who want quiet. For recording, I think it would be fair to
> limit that to vocals only, which, even in the most ideal situations,
> would just need a closet sized space with good isolation, but really
> that's not even totally necessary, just ideal.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Tony Barreca <tony.barreca at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I've added Rusty's personal response to the thread.
> >
> > Many excellent responses, but now there's a real red flag.  If the
> primary
> > intent is to set up a real recording facility in the space, the budget
> will
> > require some readjustment.  True sound isolation, if that's what's
> required,
> > is really expensive.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:46 PM, rusty lindgren <
> rustylindgren at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> How do you do vo work with talking in the background... How do you
> reduce
> >> room noise?  Headphones are also bad for your ears and are not ideal for
> >> mixing professional tracks...
> >>
> >> On Oct 26, 2012 12:27 PM, "Tony Barreca" <tony.barreca at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps I'm completely clueless here, but I've done a ton of video
> >>> editing in development (i.e., programming) environments, and earphones
> >>> worked perfectly while avoiding disruptions or interference.  I wonder
> if
> >>> sound containment really deserves to be on the list?
> >>>
> >>> I suspect that minimizing constraints is probably a good idea.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Seems to me we have a few global needs which capture a large swath of
> >>>> interests:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Common, empty working table space. Somewhere to throw laptops down
> >>>> and have a huddle, or to open something up and put it back together.
> >>>> 2. Fixed station space. A few stations dedicated to particular, open
> >>>> usage (maybe a computer terminal, a 3-d printer, or some other
> device).
> >>>> 2. (a) some of these stations may have delicate concerns (e.g.
> >>>> ventilation for soldering, sound containment for recording).
> >>>> 3. Water and sink. Access or proximity to water and a sink are
> necessary
> >>>> for various activities.
> >>>> 4. Windows and air. Access or proximity to outside air is necessary
> for
> >>>> various activities. I think this model might be a useful conceptual
> one, and
> >>>> please remix or build on it if you think it's useful!
> >>>>
> >>>> Open working space, fixed stations (w/ various insulation), accessible
> >>>> water/plumbing fixtures, and accessible window(s)/air.
> >>>>
> >>>> // Matt
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Marina Kukso <
> marina.kukso at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> these are great additional points to consider. let's discuss more
> >>>>> tomorrow!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - marina
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM, rusty lindgren
> >>>>> <rustylindgren at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Marina,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I could help you set-up a very nice recording area, and could help
> >>>>>> procure some basic gear, and rent other gear, and I think we could
> cart
> >>>>>> things back and forth depending on that need.  It also fits the
> requirement
> >>>>>> of "quiet-time," so we could have that designation for certain
> times, like
> >>>>>> programming and video work, or something.   Given that, the other
> basic
> >>>>>> requirements would be this:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Somewhere we can be quiet during certain times
> >>>>>> A quiet space or one  that is capable of handling some basic rigging
> >>>>>> with sound blankets
> >>>>>> An  8x8 area
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Beyond that, I will be very welcoming to anyone who wants to do
> >>>>>> multi-media work, and will try my best to set up a gear fund, or
> lend out my
> >>>>>> personal gear at a small fee for group members.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone else should let me know, because it will help with planning,
> >>>>>> and my decision making process.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks in advance,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rusty
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Marina Kukso
> >>>>>> <marina.kukso at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> hi everyone,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> i am interested in multimedia, mostly focusing on audio production
> >>>>>>> (sudoradio!). not sure why your x got deleted - i'm sure it was a
> glitch!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - marina
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:26 AM, rusty lindgren
> >>>>>>> <rustylindgren at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hey Everyone,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My "x" got deleted for video/multimedia.  Does anyone else want
> >>>>>>>> video/multi-media space?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I feel like people could really take advantage of that, and I
> would
> >>>>>>>> be able to rent out my equipment at a very low rate to members
> and do skill
> >>>>>>>> trade.  If not, I will probably charge more money, and rent out
> one of the
> >>>>>>>> other spaces myself, and I would need to know very soon.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please let me know,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Rusty
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Matthew Senate
> >>>>>>>> <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> To save you the trouble of opening that Word Document, please see
> >>>>>>>>> below:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Minimal Satisfactory Rental
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Top Activity Priorities – percent in favor:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 57% computer workstation
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 57% 3D printer
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 52% soldering workstation
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 48% classroom space
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 48% couches
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 48% group working spaces
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 38% wet lab
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 38% laser cutting/engraving
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 38% bicycle/human powered repair station
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 38% rooftop forest / vertical hanging garden
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 33% hammocks
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 33% bookshelves/library
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Out of 21 respondents, recorded here as of 10/26 and subject to
> my
> >>>>>>>>> best arithmetic / copypaste.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Satisfactory Space Discussion
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Of the top three activities, the soldering workstation has the
> >>>>>>>>> greatest constraint in that it requires ventilation. Unless one
> of the $900
> >>>>>>>>> rooms can be fitted with ventilation, the windows in the biohack
> room would
> >>>>>>>>> be critical for this activity. Of the next 3 activities, a
> classroom space
> >>>>>>>>> and meeting space are provided ready to use downstairs, and
> couches for
> >>>>>>>>> hacking back in comfort can be placed upstairs either in the
> sudo-exclusive
> >>>>>>>>> space or I would assume in the common use space if other renters
> agree. The
> >>>>>>>>> absolute cheapest upstairs room is the mezzanine at $300, which
> would not be
> >>>>>>>>> suitable for more than 2 people working at a time and is
> therefore excluded
> >>>>>>>>> from this proposal. The minimum size requirements would be met
> by renting
> >>>>>>>>> one $900 room and the $175 closet, thereby retaining access to
> both floors.
> >>>>>>>>> To enable soldering and wet lab activities and provide more
> storage space,
> >>>>>>>>> the incremental cost to rent the next more expensive room is
> $600. The
> >>>>>>>>> incremental cost of retaining the fishbowl instead of the closet
> is $225,
> >>>>>>>>> which would provide better visibility for events and a nicer
> environment for
> >>>>>>>>> compact activities at about twice the price per square foot.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Rental Cost
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> (Assuming $100/mo utility)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Minimal Rental $1,175
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Minimal Rental prioritizing fishbowl $1,400
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Minimal Rental prioritizing biohack room $1,775
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Minimal Satisfactory Rental:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> (biohack room + fishbowl) $2,000
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Baseline Revenues
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> sudoroom only
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 25 ppl x $50
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> subtotal dues = $1,250
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> others from this document minus $50 baseline dues
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> $270 jae personal projects area
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> $200 felicia personal projects area
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> $200 hol personal projects area
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> subtotal personal space rental = $670
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> total dues + personal space rental = $1,920
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Proposal
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Personal space rental is over 2/3 of the rent of the a $900
> >>>>>>>>> upstairs room from the three parties above alone, which would
> not leave
> >>>>>>>>> sufficient group work/storage space. As the closet is only used
> for storage
> >>>>>>>>> and there is a nice storagey looking room in the biohack space,
> and the
> >>>>>>>>> fishbowl is much cooler, I propose going for the minimal
> satisfactory rental
> >>>>>>>>> outlined above. We are almost right on the money for rental (not
> factoring
> >>>>>>>>> in utilities or one-time costs) and I expect there will be more
> membership
> >>>>>>>>> interest with a wet lab, adequate ventilation, and a
> street-facing area on
> >>>>>>>>> the first floor. This will satisfy the space requirements for
> each activity
> >>>>>>>>> having at least one third of members in support – with the
> likely exception
> >>>>>>>>> of vertical hanging gardens.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Proposed Contingency Plans
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Backup Plan (--)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If sufficient personal space rental or dues is unlikely to
> >>>>>>>>> materialize in time or we want more for the rainy day fund, I
> propose to
> >>>>>>>>> abandon the fish bowl and stick to the closet for a total cost
> of $1,775.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Expanded Plan (++)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If there's enough interest in additional groups joining or
> >>>>>>>>> otherwise viable plans for generating revenue, I propose adding
> on a $900
> >>>>>>>>> room for a total cost of $2,900 or less if discounted. We should
> also remain
> >>>>>>>>> open to adding the extra space in a different building, still
> under the
> >>>>>>>>> sudoroom umbrella but better suited to some of the
> dirtier/dustier
> >>>>>>>>> activities.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This document may be modified and freely distributed.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:44 AM, <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I won't be around oakland or computers this weekend so I want to
> >>>>>>>>>> go ahead and submit my proposal.  Now I can start packing...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the gathering Saturday!
> >>>>>>>>>> Hol
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Rusty Lindgren
> >>>>>>>> Digital Publishing / Web Solutions
> >>>>>>>>    Phone: 916-220-5340
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rusty Lindgren
> >>>>>> Digital Publishing / Web Solutions
> >>>>>>    Phone: 916-220-5340
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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