Hey all,<br><br>I understand people have different opinions about media recording and editing spaces.<br><br>Let's step back a bit.<br><br>It seems to me we're trying to upgrade our current outfit (sub-ideal space), but by no means should we settle completely and assume we will be stuck with some particular infrastructure forever. We can grow, we can adapt, we can move. And most importantly we need to learn to:<br>
<br><i><b>collaborate</b> and <b>share</b> with each other.</i><br><br>I was <i>trying</i> to offer a <b>generalized framework</b> to think about the many components each of us wants to see work in any space we form:<br><br>
<b>Open working space,</b> <b>some fixed stations</b>, <b>accessible water/plumbing fixtures</b>, and <b>accessible window(s)/air.</b><br><br>Doesn't it make sense that we leave some freedom to try new things out, and change our patterns as we work them out? Is there any reason to halt an idea now before we know what would <i>actually</i> happen? Further, Jenny's suggestion is really great. If folks are looking for a particular guarantee of high sound insulation, they may want to go in on a small or remote space in the building in question or elsewhere. But maybe, for all intents in purposes, it could worked wrapped together with some others. By experimenting, listening, and adapting we'll actually know, rather than hypothesizing.<br>
<br>I'd also like to point you to this note about benefits in the Articles
of Association: <a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Compact">http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Compact</a><br><h4><span class="mw-headline" id="Section_2.3_Benefits">Section 2.3 Benefits</span></h4>
<p>The following are benefits available to all members:
</p>
<ul><li> Usable assets and resources available within reasonable constraints of time and under the condition of sharing.
<ul><li> <b>sudo room</b> strives to make assets and resources available to as many non-member participants and beneficiaries as possible.
</li><li> Note: no personal property should be stored in <b>sudo room</b> unless a system for personal storage can be provided by <b>sudo room</b>.
</li><li> Note: the use of <b>sudo room</b> environments for habitation and/or domestic use is strongly discouraged unless designated by <b>sudo room</b>.
</li></ul>
</li></ul>// Matt<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Andrew <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com" target="_blank">andrew@roshambomedia.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
<br>
I would love to see a room for recording and mixing. If it doesn't<br>
work with the space that understandable, but I don't think full sound<br>
isolation is necessary. For mixing all that would be required would be<br>
a small room with a door that would be isolated in some way from other<br>
people who want quiet. For recording, I think it would be fair to<br>
limit that to vocals only, which, even in the most ideal situations,<br>
would just need a closet sized space with good isolation, but really<br>
that's not even totally necessary, just ideal.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Andrew<br>
<div><div class="h5"><br>
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Tony Barreca <<a href="mailto:tony.barreca@gmail.com">tony.barreca@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I've added Rusty's personal response to the thread.<br>
><br>
> Many excellent responses, but now there's a real red flag. If the primary<br>
> intent is to set up a real recording facility in the space, the budget will<br>
> require some readjustment. True sound isolation, if that's what's required,<br>
> is really expensive.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:46 PM, rusty lindgren <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> How do you do vo work with talking in the background... How do you reduce<br>
>> room noise? Headphones are also bad for your ears and are not ideal for<br>
>> mixing professional tracks...<br>
>><br>
>> On Oct 26, 2012 12:27 PM, "Tony Barreca" <<a href="mailto:tony.barreca@gmail.com">tony.barreca@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Perhaps I'm completely clueless here, but I've done a ton of video<br>
>>> editing in development (i.e., programming) environments, and earphones<br>
>>> worked perfectly while avoiding disruptions or interference. I wonder if<br>
>>> sound containment really deserves to be on the list?<br>
>>><br>
>>> I suspect that minimizing constraints is probably a good idea.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matthew Senate <<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Seems to me we have a few global needs which capture a large swath of<br>
>>>> interests:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 1. Common, empty working table space. Somewhere to throw laptops down<br>
>>>> and have a huddle, or to open something up and put it back together.<br>
>>>> 2. Fixed station space. A few stations dedicated to particular, open<br>
>>>> usage (maybe a computer terminal, a 3-d printer, or some other device).<br>
>>>> 2. (a) some of these stations may have delicate concerns (e.g.<br>
>>>> ventilation for soldering, sound containment for recording).<br>
>>>> 3. Water and sink. Access or proximity to water and a sink are necessary<br>
>>>> for various activities.<br>
>>>> 4. Windows and air. Access or proximity to outside air is necessary for<br>
>>>> various activities. I think this model might be a useful conceptual one, and<br>
>>>> please remix or build on it if you think it's useful!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Open working space, fixed stations (w/ various insulation), accessible<br>
>>>> water/plumbing fixtures, and accessible window(s)/air.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> // Matt<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Marina Kukso <<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> these are great additional points to consider. let's discuss more<br>
>>>>> tomorrow!<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> - marina<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM, rusty lindgren<br>
>>>>> <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Hi Marina,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I could help you set-up a very nice recording area, and could help<br>
>>>>>> procure some basic gear, and rent other gear, and I think we could cart<br>
>>>>>> things back and forth depending on that need. It also fits the requirement<br>
>>>>>> of "quiet-time," so we could have that designation for certain times, like<br>
>>>>>> programming and video work, or something. Given that, the other basic<br>
>>>>>> requirements would be this:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Somewhere we can be quiet during certain times<br>
>>>>>> A quiet space or one that is capable of handling some basic rigging<br>
>>>>>> with sound blankets<br>
>>>>>> An 8x8 area<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Beyond that, I will be very welcoming to anyone who wants to do<br>
>>>>>> multi-media work, and will try my best to set up a gear fund, or lend out my<br>
>>>>>> personal gear at a small fee for group members.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Anyone else should let me know, because it will help with planning,<br>
>>>>>> and my decision making process.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Rusty<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Marina Kukso<br>
>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> hi everyone,<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> i am interested in multimedia, mostly focusing on audio production<br>
>>>>>>> (sudoradio!). not sure why your x got deleted - i'm sure it was a glitch!<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> - marina<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:26 AM, rusty lindgren<br>
>>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Hey Everyone,<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> My "x" got deleted for video/multimedia. Does anyone else want<br>
>>>>>>>> video/multi-media space?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> I feel like people could really take advantage of that, and I would<br>
>>>>>>>> be able to rent out my equipment at a very low rate to members and do skill<br>
>>>>>>>> trade. If not, I will probably charge more money, and rent out one of the<br>
>>>>>>>> other spaces myself, and I would need to know very soon.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Please let me know,<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Rusty<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Matthew Senate<br>
>>>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> To save you the trouble of opening that Word Document, please see<br>
>>>>>>>>> below:<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Minimal Satisfactory Rental<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Top Activity Priorities – percent in favor:<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> 57% computer workstation<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> 57% 3D printer<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> 52% soldering workstation<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> 48% classroom space<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> 48% couches<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> 48% group working spaces<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> 38% wet lab<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> 38% laser cutting/engraving<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> 38% bicycle/human powered repair station<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> 38% rooftop forest / vertical hanging garden<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> 33% hammocks<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> 33% bookshelves/library<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Out of 21 respondents, recorded here as of 10/26 and subject to my<br>
>>>>>>>>> best arithmetic / copypaste.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Satisfactory Space Discussion<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Of the top three activities, the soldering workstation has the<br>
>>>>>>>>> greatest constraint in that it requires ventilation. Unless one of the $900<br>
>>>>>>>>> rooms can be fitted with ventilation, the windows in the biohack room would<br>
>>>>>>>>> be critical for this activity. Of the next 3 activities, a classroom space<br>
>>>>>>>>> and meeting space are provided ready to use downstairs, and couches for<br>
>>>>>>>>> hacking back in comfort can be placed upstairs either in the sudo-exclusive<br>
>>>>>>>>> space or I would assume in the common use space if other renters agree. The<br>
>>>>>>>>> absolute cheapest upstairs room is the mezzanine at $300, which would not be<br>
>>>>>>>>> suitable for more than 2 people working at a time and is therefore excluded<br>
>>>>>>>>> from this proposal. The minimum size requirements would be met by renting<br>
>>>>>>>>> one $900 room and the $175 closet, thereby retaining access to both floors.<br>
>>>>>>>>> To enable soldering and wet lab activities and provide more storage space,<br>
>>>>>>>>> the incremental cost to rent the next more expensive room is $600. The<br>
>>>>>>>>> incremental cost of retaining the fishbowl instead of the closet is $225,<br>
>>>>>>>>> which would provide better visibility for events and a nicer environment for<br>
>>>>>>>>> compact activities at about twice the price per square foot.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Rental Cost<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> (Assuming $100/mo utility)<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Minimal Rental $1,175<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Minimal Rental prioritizing fishbowl $1,400<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Minimal Rental prioritizing biohack room $1,775<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Minimal Satisfactory Rental:<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> (biohack room + fishbowl) $2,000<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Baseline Revenues<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> sudoroom only<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> 25 ppl x $50<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> subtotal dues = $1,250<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> others from this document minus $50 baseline dues<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> $270 jae personal projects area<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> $200 felicia personal projects area<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> $200 hol personal projects area<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> subtotal personal space rental = $670<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> total dues + personal space rental = $1,920<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Proposal<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Personal space rental is over 2/3 of the rent of the a $900<br>
>>>>>>>>> upstairs room from the three parties above alone, which would not leave<br>
>>>>>>>>> sufficient group work/storage space. As the closet is only used for storage<br>
>>>>>>>>> and there is a nice storagey looking room in the biohack space, and the<br>
>>>>>>>>> fishbowl is much cooler, I propose going for the minimal satisfactory rental<br>
>>>>>>>>> outlined above. We are almost right on the money for rental (not factoring<br>
>>>>>>>>> in utilities or one-time costs) and I expect there will be more membership<br>
>>>>>>>>> interest with a wet lab, adequate ventilation, and a street-facing area on<br>
>>>>>>>>> the first floor. This will satisfy the space requirements for each activity<br>
>>>>>>>>> having at least one third of members in support – with the likely exception<br>
>>>>>>>>> of vertical hanging gardens.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Proposed Contingency Plans<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Backup Plan (--)<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> If sufficient personal space rental or dues is unlikely to<br>
>>>>>>>>> materialize in time or we want more for the rainy day fund, I propose to<br>
>>>>>>>>> abandon the fish bowl and stick to the closet for a total cost of $1,775.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Expanded Plan (++)<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> If there's enough interest in additional groups joining or<br>
>>>>>>>>> otherwise viable plans for generating revenue, I propose adding on a $900<br>
>>>>>>>>> room for a total cost of $2,900 or less if discounted. We should also remain<br>
>>>>>>>>> open to adding the extra space in a different building, still under the<br>
>>>>>>>>> sudoroom umbrella but better suited to some of the dirtier/dustier<br>
>>>>>>>>> activities.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> This document may be modified and freely distributed.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:44 AM, <<a href="mailto:hol@gaskill.com">hol@gaskill.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> I won't be around oakland or computers this weekend so I want to<br>
>>>>>>>>>> go ahead and submit my proposal. Now I can start packing...<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the gathering Saturday!<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Hol<br>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
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>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>>>>>>> sudoroom mailing list<br>
>>>>>>>>> <a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
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>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Rusty Lindgren<br>
>>>>>>>> Digital Publishing / Web Solutions<br>
>>>>>>>> Phone: 916-220-5340<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>>>>>> sudoroom mailing list<br>
>>>>>>>> <a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
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>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>> Cheers,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Rusty Lindgren<br>
>>>>>> Digital Publishing / Web Solutions<br>
>>>>>> Phone: 916-220-5340<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Tony Barreca<br>
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>>><br>
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>>><br>
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