I've added Rusty's personal response to the thread.<br><br>Many excellent responses, but now there's a real red flag. If the primary intent is to set up a real recording facility in the space, the budget will require some readjustment. True sound isolation, if that's what's required, is really expensive.<br>
<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:46 PM, rusty lindgren <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com" target="_blank">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>How do you do vo work with talking in the background... How do you reduce room noise? Headphones are also bad for your ears and are not ideal for mixing professional tracks... </p><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 26, 2012 12:27 PM, "Tony Barreca" <<a href="mailto:tony.barreca@gmail.com" target="_blank">tony.barreca@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Perhaps I'm completely clueless here, but I've done a ton of video editing in development (i.e., programming) environments, and earphones worked perfectly while avoiding disruptions or interference. I wonder if sound containment really deserves to be on the list? <br>
<br>I suspect that minimizing constraints is probably a good idea.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matthew Senate <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com" target="_blank">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Seems to me we have a few global needs which capture a large swath of interests:<br><br>1. Common, empty working table space. Somewhere to throw laptops down and have a huddle, or to open something up and put it back together.<br>
2. Fixed station space. A few stations dedicated to particular, open usage (maybe a computer terminal, a 3-d printer, or some other device).<br>2. (a) some of these stations may have delicate concerns (e.g. ventilation for soldering, sound containment for recording).<br>
3. Water and sink. Access or proximity to water and a sink are necessary for various activities.<br>4. Windows and air. Access or proximity to outside air is necessary for various activities. I think this model might be a useful conceptual one, and please remix or build on it if you think it's useful!<br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div> <b><br>Open working space, fixed stations </b>(w/ various insulation)<b>,</b><b> accessible water/plumbing fixtures, </b>and <b>accessible window(s)/air</b>.<br><br>// Matt<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Marina Kukso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com" target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">these are great additional points to consider. let's discuss more tomorrow!<span><font color="#888888"><div>
<br></div><div>- marina</div></font></span><div><div><div><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM, rusty lindgren <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com" target="_blank">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Marina,<div><br>I could help you set-up a very nice recording area, and could help procure some basic gear, and rent other gear, and I think we could cart things back and forth depending on that need. It also fits the requirement of "quiet-time," so we could have that designation for certain times, like programming and video work, or something. Given that, the other basic requirements would be this:</div>
<div><ol><li>Somewhere we can be quiet during certain times</li><li>A quiet space or one that is capable of handling some basic rigging with sound blankets</li><li>An 8x8 area </li></ol><div>Beyond that, I will be very welcoming to anyone who wants to do multi-media work, and will try my best to set up a gear fund, or lend out my personal gear at a small fee for group members. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Anyone else should let me know, because it will help with planning, and my decision making process. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks in advance,</div><div><br></div><div>Rusty</div></div><div>
<div><div><br></div>
<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Marina Kukso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com" target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
hi everyone,<div><br></div><div>i am interested in multimedia, mostly focusing on audio production (sudoradio!). not sure why your x got deleted - i'm sure it was a glitch!</div><span><font color="#888888"><div>
<br></div><div>- marina</div></font></span><div><div><div><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:26 AM, rusty lindgren <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com" target="_blank">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Hey Everyone,</div><div><br></div>My "x" got deleted for video/multimedia. Does anyone else want video/multi-media space? <div><br></div><div>I feel like people could really take advantage of that, and I would be able to rent out my equipment at a very low rate to members and do skill trade. If not, I will probably charge more money, and rent out one of the other spaces myself, and I would need to know very soon.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Please let me know,</div><div><br></div><div>Rusty</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Matthew Senate <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com" target="_blank">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">To save you the trouble of opening that Word Document, please see below:<br><br>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT"><font size="5"><b>Minimal
Satisfactory Rental</b></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT"><b>Top
Activity Priorities – percent in favor:</b></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT">57% computer
workstation</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT">57% 3D
printer</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT">52%
soldering workstation</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT">48%
classroom space</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT">48% couches</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT">48% group
working spaces</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT">38% wet lab</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT">38% laser
cutting/engraving</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT">38%
bicycle/human powered repair station</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT">38% rooftop
forest / vertical hanging garden</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT">33% hammocks</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT">33%
bookshelves/library</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;font-weight:normal" align="LEFT">
Out of 21 respondents, recorded <font color="#000080"><span lang="zxx"><u><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqBO4Q7UXSgXdDdIR1hUN3FhTGN3b0FEMGJvVU5yaFE#gid=0" target="_blank">here</a></u></span></font>
as of 10/26 and subject to my best arithmetic / copypaste.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in" align="LEFT"><b>Satisfactory
Space Discussion</b></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in">Of the top three
activities, the soldering workstation has the greatest constraint in
that it requires ventilation. Unless one of the $900 rooms can be
fitted with ventilation, the windows in the biohack room would be
critical for this activity. Of the next 3 activities, a classroom
space and meeting space are provided ready to use downstairs, and
couches for hacking back in comfort can be placed upstairs either in
the sudo-exclusive space or I would assume in the common use space if
other renters agree. The absolute cheapest upstairs room is the
mezzanine at $300, which would not be suitable for more than 2 people
working at a time and is therefore excluded from this proposal. The
minimum size requirements would be met by renting one $900 room and
the $175 closet, thereby retaining access to both floors. To enable
soldering and wet lab activities and provide more storage space, the
incremental cost to rent the next more expensive room is $600. The
incremental cost of retaining the fishbowl instead of the closet is
$225, which would provide better visibility for events and a nicer
environment for compact activities at about twice the price per
square foot.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><b>Rental Cost</b></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;font-weight:normal">(Assuming
$100/mo utility)</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in">Minimal Rental $1,175</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in">Minimal Rental
prioritizing fishbowl $1,4<font size="3">00</font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><font size="3">Minimal
Rental prioritizing biohack room $1,775</font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><font size="4">Minimal
Satisfactory Rental:</font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><font size="4">(biohack
room + fishbowl) $2,000</font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><b>Baseline Revenues</b></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in">sudoroom only</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><font><i> 25 ppl
x $50</i></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><font><i> subtotal
dues = <b>$1,250</b></i></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in">others from <font color="#000080"><span lang="zxx"><u><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsQ2Ur3gqJI_dFRyalZjOHQzYmotZkxNWU9lLXhEeHc#gid=0" target="_blank">this
</a><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsQ2Ur3gqJI_dFRyalZjOHQzYmotZkxNWU9lLXhEeHc#gid=0" target="_blank">document</a></u></span></font>
minus $50 baseline dues</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><font><i> $270
jae personal projects area</i></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><font><i> $200
felicia personal projects area</i></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><font><i> $200
hol personal projects area</i></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><font><i> subtotal
personal space rental = <b>$670</b></i></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><span style="font-weight:normal">total
dues + personal space rental = </span><b>$1,920</b></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><b>Proposal</b></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in">Personal space rental
is over 2/3 of the rent of the a $900 upstairs room from the three
parties above alone, which would not leave sufficient group
work/storage space. As the closet is only used for storage and there
is a nice storagey looking room in the biohack space, and the
fishbowl is much cooler, I propose going for the minimal
satisfactory rental outlined above. We are almost right on the money
for rental (not factoring in utilities or one-time costs) and I
expect there will be more membership interest with a wet lab,
adequate ventilation, and a street-facing area on the first floor.
This will satisfy the space requirements for each activity having at
least one third of members in support – with the likely exception
of vertical hanging gardens.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><b>Proposed Contingency
Plans</b></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><i>Backup Plan (--)</i></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in">If sufficient personal
space rental or dues is unlikely to materialize in time or we want
more for the rainy day fund, I propose to abandon the fish bowl and
stick to the closet for a total cost of $1,775.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in"><i>Expanded Plan (++)</i></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;font-style:normal">If
there's enough interest in additional groups joining or otherwise
viable plans for generating revenue, I propose adding on a $900 room
for a total cost of $2,900 or less if discounted. We should also
remain open to adding the extra space in a different building, still
under the sudoroom umbrella but better suited to some of the
dirtier/dustier activities.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;font-style:normal" align="LEFT">
<font>This document may be modified and freely distributed.</font></p>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 1:44 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hol@gaskill.com" target="_blank">hol@gaskill.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div>
I won't be around oakland or computers this weekend so I want to go ahead and submit my proposal. Now I can start packing...<br>
<br>
Enjoy the gathering Saturday!<br>
Hol<br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
sudoroom mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom" target="_blank">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
sudoroom mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom" target="_blank">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div></div></div><span><font color="#888888">-- <br><font><span>Cheers,</span><br><font style="color:rgb(0,51,0)"><br style="background-color:rgb(0,0,153);font-family:arial black,sans-serif">
<b><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial black,sans-serif">Rusty Lindgren</font></b></font></font><b><font size="4"><font style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial black,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-family:arial black,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);background-color:rgb(0,0,0)"></span><br>
</span></font></font><font size="4"><font style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial black,sans-serif">Digital Publishing / Web Solutions</span></font></font></b><br>
<b style="background-color:rgb(0,51,51)"><font style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" size="4"><font style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial black,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,255,255)"></span></span></font></font></b><b style="background-color:rgb(0,51,51)"><font style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" size="4"><font style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial black,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);background-color:rgb(0,51,51)"> <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(204,204,204)"> Phone: <a href="tel:916-220-5340" value="+19162205340" target="_blank">916-220-5340</a> </span></span><span style="background-color:rgb(204,204,204);color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </span></span></span></font></font></b><br style="background-color:rgb(0,51,51);color:rgb(0,51,0)">
<font size="4"><font style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,51,0)"><b style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="background-color:rgb(0,51,0);font-family:arial black,sans-serif"><span style="background-color:rgb(0,51,0)"><br>
</span></span></b></font></font><br><font size="4"><font style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,51,0)"><b style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="background-color:rgb(0,51,0);font-family:arial black,sans-serif"><span style="background-color:rgb(0,51,0)"></span></span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"></span></b></font><br style="font-family:arial black,sans-serif">
<span style="font-family:arial black,sans-serif"></span></font><br><br><br><br>
</font></span></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
sudoroom mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom" target="_blank">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br></div>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><font><span>Cheers,</span><br><font style="color:rgb(0,51,0)"><br style="background-color:rgb(0,0,153);font-family:arial black,sans-serif">
<b><font style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial black,sans-serif">Rusty Lindgren</font></b></font></font><b><font size="4"><font style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial black,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-family:arial black,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);background-color:rgb(0,0,0)"></span><br>
</span></font></font><font size="4"><font style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial black,sans-serif">Digital Publishing / Web Solutions</span></font></font></b><br>
<b style="background-color:rgb(0,51,51)"><font style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" size="4"><font style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial black,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,255,255)"></span></span></font></font></b><b style="background-color:rgb(0,51,51)"><font style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" size="4"><font style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial black,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(255,255,255);background-color:rgb(0,51,51)"> <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(204,204,204)"> Phone: <a href="tel:916-220-5340" value="+19162205340" target="_blank">916-220-5340</a> </span></span><span style="background-color:rgb(204,204,204);color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </span></span></span></font></font></b><br style="background-color:rgb(0,51,51);color:rgb(0,51,0)">
<font size="4"><font style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,51,0)"><b style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="background-color:rgb(0,51,0);font-family:arial black,sans-serif"><span style="background-color:rgb(0,51,0)"><br>
</span></span></b></font></font><br><font size="4"><font style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,51,0)"><b style="background-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="background-color:rgb(0,51,0);font-family:arial black,sans-serif"><span style="background-color:rgb(0,51,0)"></span></span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"></span></b></font><br style="font-family:arial black,sans-serif">
<span style="font-family:arial black,sans-serif"></span></font><br><br><br><br>
</div>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>
</div></div><br>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
sudoroom mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom" target="_blank">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Tony Barreca<br>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybarreca" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybarreca</a><br>Skype: tonybarreca<br>Twitter: tbarreca<br>
Mobile: <a href="tel:%28510%29%20710-5864" value="+15107105864" target="_blank">(510) 710-5864</a><br>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
sudoroom mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">sudoroom@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom" target="_blank">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/sudoroom</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Tony Barreca<br>LinkedIn: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybarreca">http://www.linkedin.com/in/tonybarreca</a><br>Skype: tonybarreca<br>Twitter: tbarreca<br>
Mobile: (510) 710-5864<br>