[SpaceProgram] sea vs. spacesteading

Fri Sep 28 01:37:18 CEST 2012

yeah, I was planning on having it shallower than 30 feet to avoid big
pressure changes. I was thinking of ice diving, when you stay shallower
than 30 feet so you can swim up to the surface fast at any time without
much danger but I forgot about the issue of a super long underwater stay.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:31 PM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com> wrote:

> If they stayed for longer than 2 hours at 30 feet they could get the
> bends. Any deeper and it much faster than that even.
>
> Astonaughts can get the bends coming out of a space suit into habitat if
> its lower presure in the suit for mobility.
> On Sep 27, 2012 7:54 AM, "Lee von Kraus" <leevonk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not a member of any hacker spaces, I have everything I need in my
>> living room or at a workspace at the lab where I work. Not going to the
>> Maker Faire, I actually just retracted a presentation cause of some
>> confusion as to availability of audio-visual equipment/outlets.
>>
>> The 'dangerous' part of the underwater bell is the other reason I didn't
>> go through with it. I initially wanted to let people sleep down there but
>> then I realized it would be too easy for them to die on the way up and sue
>> me.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jerry Isdale <jerry at mauimakers.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm, eastern us coast does have a lot of nasty water... which could
>>> simulate more noxious alien atmosphere
>>> but probably not what we'd want to do for a first step sea stead.
>>>
>>> Keep this in mind as we go forward. Are you a member of NYC Resistor,
>>> Alpha One Labs or other NYC area hackerspace?
>>> (Are you going to World Maker Faire this weekend?  I SOOOO wish I could
>>> be there!)
>>>
>>>  Jerry Isdale
>>> http://MauiMakers.com
>>> http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/
>>>
>>> On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Lee von Kraus wrote:
>>>
>>> I actually won a small grant ($1000) about a year ago to build a
>>> minimalist submersible habitat. It was going to be a transparent diving
>>> bell type thing made out of a solid acrylic dome, filled with air and tied
>>> to some anchors. Then I saw that someone had already build something
>>> similar using a transparent tarp for the dome with a net over it that was
>>> tied to anchors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phj3lLEtWlk).
>>>
>>> I still have the gear I bought to build it but I never was able to find
>>> a suitable place to put it (needs big, big anchors). The gear includes a
>>> thick transparent tarp, large cargo net, and a scuba 'hookah', surface
>>> supply setup (to aid in setup and swimming down to the base). I live in
>>> Brooklyn New York if anyone knows a good location (most are too polluted or
>>> have heavy boat traffic) or would want to help out in installing it
>>> somewhere. In any case the general concept could be used to make a
>>> prototype to do tests with (isolation, power generation, etc). If someone
>>> has a good location near them I could maybe bring the gear and we could set
>>> it up there. Alternatively we could contact the 'bubble room' people (in
>>> the video)
>>>
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I love otec, ive seen it in action on the big island. when combined
>>>> with a thermal vent, or geothermal well it could be much more efficient.
>>>> On Sep 27, 2012 1:59 AM, "Pastor Gabe" <gabeterasem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Glad  to see this discussion and wanted to throw a couple cents in...
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a lot of interest in the seasteading community in space.
>>>>> There are I would say three factions of the movement: capitalists,
>>>>> libertarians and spacers. Someone noted that the there are many ties
>>>>> between sea and space but technology the least of them, and that in some
>>>>> ways is true. Especially when you look at the converted oil rig
>>>>> architecture, there is little practical application of that tech in space.
>>>>> Someone else however noted the link between underwater and space, which is
>>>>> exactly where I and the spacer faction of seasteaders want to take this.
>>>>> The political and ecological work done by seasteaders is also useful, but
>>>>> by it's nature I think this group is really focused on the tech.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is my vision for shared progress:
>>>>>
>>>>> An ocean floor/submarine habitat, powered solely by OTEC, thermal vent
>>>>> or reactor simulates the conditions of space as best and as cheaply as
>>>>> possible, including the psychological isolation issues. Submerging a
>>>>> habitat is virtually free compared to placing it in orbit. Space actually
>>>>> has an advantage of allowing us to use inflatable technology that is not
>>>>> practical submarine. An argument I made during the 100yss conference is
>>>>> that seasteading is a sandbox for spacesteading. Sure some things will need
>>>>> to be adapted, but there is a lot we can test and in doing so develop the
>>>>> foundation and confidence that there is a commercially viable interest in a
>>>>> space industry. I ask people to look at America's founding, with large
>>>>> corporations not forming or coming onboard until small communities put it
>>>>> all on the line to make the move to the new frontier. The oceans may not be
>>>>> our destination, but it will be on our journey.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also want to applaud everyone's efforts here. I hope and believe
>>>>> that it will be people like you that make dreams of space travel/ living a
>>>>> reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Pastor Gabe
>>>>> Terasem Movement Transreligion - 321-409-1580
>>>>> http://terasemian.wordpress.com/
>>>>> http://www.meetup.com/Terasem
>>>>> http://terasemfaith.net/
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>>>>>
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