[SpaceProgram] sea vs. spacesteading

Fri Sep 28 01:31:41 CEST 2012

If they stayed for longer than 2 hours at 30 feet they could get the bends.
Any deeper and it much faster than that even.

Astonaughts can get the bends coming out of a space suit into habitat if
its lower presure in the suit for mobility.
On Sep 27, 2012 7:54 AM, "Lee von Kraus" <leevonk at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not a member of any hacker spaces, I have everything I need in my
> living room or at a workspace at the lab where I work. Not going to the
> Maker Faire, I actually just retracted a presentation cause of some
> confusion as to availability of audio-visual equipment/outlets.
>
> The 'dangerous' part of the underwater bell is the other reason I didn't
> go through with it. I initially wanted to let people sleep down there but
> then I realized it would be too easy for them to die on the way up and sue
> me.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jerry Isdale <jerry at mauimakers.com>wrote:
>
>> Hmm, eastern us coast does have a lot of nasty water... which could
>> simulate more noxious alien atmosphere
>> but probably not what we'd want to do for a first step sea stead.
>>
>> Keep this in mind as we go forward. Are you a member of NYC Resistor,
>> Alpha One Labs or other NYC area hackerspace?
>> (Are you going to World Maker Faire this weekend?  I SOOOO wish I could
>> be there!)
>>
>>  Jerry Isdale
>> http://MauiMakers.com
>> http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/
>>
>> On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Lee von Kraus wrote:
>>
>> I actually won a small grant ($1000) about a year ago to build a
>> minimalist submersible habitat. It was going to be a transparent diving
>> bell type thing made out of a solid acrylic dome, filled with air and tied
>> to some anchors. Then I saw that someone had already build something
>> similar using a transparent tarp for the dome with a net over it that was
>> tied to anchors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phj3lLEtWlk).
>>
>> I still have the gear I bought to build it but I never was able to find a
>> suitable place to put it (needs big, big anchors). The gear includes a
>> thick transparent tarp, large cargo net, and a scuba 'hookah', surface
>> supply setup (to aid in setup and swimming down to the base). I live in
>> Brooklyn New York if anyone knows a good location (most are too polluted or
>> have heavy boat traffic) or would want to help out in installing it
>> somewhere. In any case the general concept could be used to make a
>> prototype to do tests with (isolation, power generation, etc). If someone
>> has a good location near them I could maybe bring the gear and we could set
>> it up there. Alternatively we could contact the 'bubble room' people (in
>> the video)
>>
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I love otec, ive seen it in action on the big island. when combined with
>>> a thermal vent, or geothermal well it could be much more efficient.
>>> On Sep 27, 2012 1:59 AM, "Pastor Gabe" <gabeterasem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Glad  to see this discussion and wanted to throw a couple cents in...
>>>>
>>>> There is a lot of interest in the seasteading community in space. There
>>>> are I would say three factions of the movement: capitalists, libertarians
>>>> and spacers. Someone noted that the there are many ties between sea and
>>>> space but technology the least of them, and that in some ways is true.
>>>> Especially when you look at the converted oil rig architecture, there is
>>>> little practical application of that tech in space. Someone else however
>>>> noted the link between underwater and space, which is exactly where I and
>>>> the spacer faction of seasteaders want to take this. The political and
>>>> ecological work done by seasteaders is also useful, but by it's nature I
>>>> think this group is really focused on the tech.
>>>>
>>>> Here is my vision for shared progress:
>>>>
>>>> An ocean floor/submarine habitat, powered solely by OTEC, thermal vent
>>>> or reactor simulates the conditions of space as best and as cheaply as
>>>> possible, including the psychological isolation issues. Submerging a
>>>> habitat is virtually free compared to placing it in orbit. Space actually
>>>> has an advantage of allowing us to use inflatable technology that is not
>>>> practical submarine. An argument I made during the 100yss conference is
>>>> that seasteading is a sandbox for spacesteading. Sure some things will need
>>>> to be adapted, but there is a lot we can test and in doing so develop the
>>>> foundation and confidence that there is a commercially viable interest in a
>>>> space industry. I ask people to look at America's founding, with large
>>>> corporations not forming or coming onboard until small communities put it
>>>> all on the line to make the move to the new frontier. The oceans may not be
>>>> our destination, but it will be on our journey.
>>>>
>>>> I also want to applaud everyone's efforts here. I hope and believe that
>>>> it will be people like you that make dreams of space travel/ living a
>>>> reality.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Pastor Gabe
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