[SpaceProgram] sea vs. spacesteading

Fri Sep 28 01:50:46 CEST 2012

You can blow your lungs in 2-3 feet if you dont exhale on the way up.
Number one cause of diver death.
On Sep 27, 2012 1:37 PM, "Lee von Kraus" <leevonk at gmail.com> wrote:

> yeah, I was planning on having it shallower than 30 feet to avoid big
> pressure changes. I was thinking of ice diving, when you stay shallower
> than 30 feet so you can swim up to the surface fast at any time without
> much danger but I forgot about the issue of a super long underwater stay.
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> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:31 PM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> If they stayed for longer than 2 hours at 30 feet they could get the
>> bends. Any deeper and it much faster than that even.
>>
>> Astonaughts can get the bends coming out of a space suit into habitat if
>> its lower presure in the suit for mobility.
>> On Sep 27, 2012 7:54 AM, "Lee von Kraus" <leevonk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not a member of any hacker spaces, I have everything I need in my
>>> living room or at a workspace at the lab where I work. Not going to the
>>> Maker Faire, I actually just retracted a presentation cause of some
>>> confusion as to availability of audio-visual equipment/outlets.
>>>
>>> The 'dangerous' part of the underwater bell is the other reason I didn't
>>> go through with it. I initially wanted to let people sleep down there but
>>> then I realized it would be too easy for them to die on the way up and sue
>>> me.
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jerry Isdale <jerry at mauimakers.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmm, eastern us coast does have a lot of nasty water... which could
>>>> simulate more noxious alien atmosphere
>>>> but probably not what we'd want to do for a first step sea stead.
>>>>
>>>> Keep this in mind as we go forward. Are you a member of NYC Resistor,
>>>> Alpha One Labs or other NYC area hackerspace?
>>>> (Are you going to World Maker Faire this weekend?  I SOOOO wish I could
>>>> be there!)
>>>>
>>>>  Jerry Isdale
>>>> http://MauiMakers.com
>>>> http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Lee von Kraus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I actually won a small grant ($1000) about a year ago to build a
>>>> minimalist submersible habitat. It was going to be a transparent diving
>>>> bell type thing made out of a solid acrylic dome, filled with air and tied
>>>> to some anchors. Then I saw that someone had already build something
>>>> similar using a transparent tarp for the dome with a net over it that was
>>>> tied to anchors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phj3lLEtWlk).
>>>>
>>>> I still have the gear I bought to build it but I never was able to find
>>>> a suitable place to put it (needs big, big anchors). The gear includes a
>>>> thick transparent tarp, large cargo net, and a scuba 'hookah', surface
>>>> supply setup (to aid in setup and swimming down to the base). I live in
>>>> Brooklyn New York if anyone knows a good location (most are too polluted or
>>>> have heavy boat traffic) or would want to help out in installing it
>>>> somewhere. In any case the general concept could be used to make a
>>>> prototype to do tests with (isolation, power generation, etc). If someone
>>>> has a good location near them I could maybe bring the gear and we could set
>>>> it up there. Alternatively we could contact the 'bubble room' people (in
>>>> the video)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I love otec, ive seen it in action on the big island. when combined
>>>>> with a thermal vent, or geothermal well it could be much more efficient.
>>>>> On Sep 27, 2012 1:59 AM, "Pastor Gabe" <gabeterasem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Glad  to see this discussion and wanted to throw a couple cents in...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a lot of interest in the seasteading community in space.
>>>>>> There are I would say three factions of the movement: capitalists,
>>>>>> libertarians and spacers. Someone noted that the there are many ties
>>>>>> between sea and space but technology the least of them, and that in some
>>>>>> ways is true. Especially when you look at the converted oil rig
>>>>>> architecture, there is little practical application of that tech in space.
>>>>>> Someone else however noted the link between underwater and space, which is
>>>>>> exactly where I and the spacer faction of seasteaders want to take this.
>>>>>> The political and ecological work done by seasteaders is also useful, but
>>>>>> by it's nature I think this group is really focused on the tech.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is my vision for shared progress:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An ocean floor/submarine habitat, powered solely by OTEC, thermal
>>>>>> vent or reactor simulates the conditions of space as best and as cheaply as
>>>>>> possible, including the psychological isolation issues. Submerging a
>>>>>> habitat is virtually free compared to placing it in orbit. Space actually
>>>>>> has an advantage of allowing us to use inflatable technology that is not
>>>>>> practical submarine. An argument I made during the 100yss conference is
>>>>>> that seasteading is a sandbox for spacesteading. Sure some things will need
>>>>>> to be adapted, but there is a lot we can test and in doing so develop the
>>>>>> foundation and confidence that there is a commercially viable interest in a
>>>>>> space industry. I ask people to look at America's founding, with large
>>>>>> corporations not forming or coming onboard until small communities put it
>>>>>> all on the line to make the move to the new frontier. The oceans may not be
>>>>>> our destination, but it will be on our journey.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also want to applaud everyone's efforts here. I hope and believe
>>>>>> that it will be people like you that make dreams of space travel/ living a
>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Pastor Gabe
>>>>>> Terasem Movement Transreligion - 321-409-1580
>>>>>> http://terasemian.wordpress.com/
>>>>>> http://www.meetup.com/Terasem
>>>>>> http://terasemfaith.net/
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>>>>>>
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