yeah, I was planning on having it shallower than 30 feet to avoid big pressure changes. I was thinking of ice diving, when you stay shallower than 30 feet so you can swim up to the surface fast at any time without much danger but I forgot about the issue of a super long underwater stay. <br>
<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:31 PM, cole santos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cksantos85@gmail.com" target="_blank">cksantos85@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>If they stayed for longer than 2 hours at 30 feet they could get the bends. Any deeper and it much faster than that even.</p>
<p>Astonaughts can get the bends coming out of a space suit into habitat if its lower presure in the suit for mobility.</p><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 27, 2012 7:54 AM, "Lee von Kraus" <<a href="mailto:leevonk@gmail.com" target="_blank">leevonk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I'm not a member of any hacker spaces, I have everything I need in my living room or at a workspace at the lab where I work. Not going to the Maker Faire, I actually just retracted a presentation cause of some confusion as to availability of audio-visual equipment/outlets. <br>
<br>The 'dangerous' part of the underwater bell is the other reason I didn't go through with it. I initially wanted to let people sleep down there but then I realized it would be too easy for them to die on the way up and sue me.<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br>On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jerry Isdale <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jerry@mauimakers.com" target="_blank">jerry@mauimakers.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hmm, eastern us coast does have a lot of nasty water... which could simulate more noxious alien atmosphere<div>but probably not what we'd want to do for a first step sea stead.</div>
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<br></div><div>Keep this in mind as we go forward. Are you a member of NYC Resistor, Alpha One Labs or other NYC area hackerspace?</div><div>(Are you going to World Maker Faire this weekend? I SOOOO wish I could be there!)</div>
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<br></div><div><div><div><div>On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Lee von Kraus wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">I actually won a small grant ($1000) about a year ago to build a minimalist submersible habitat. It was going to be a transparent diving bell type thing made out of a solid acrylic dome, filled with air and tied to some anchors. Then I saw that someone had already build something similar using a transparent tarp for the dome with a net over it that was tied to anchors (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phj3lLEtWlk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phj3lLEtWlk</a>). <br>
<br>I still have the gear I bought to build it but I never was able to find a suitable place to put it (needs big, big anchors). The gear includes a thick transparent tarp, large cargo net, and a scuba 'hookah', surface supply setup (to aid in setup and swimming down to the base). I live in Brooklyn New York if anyone knows a good location (most are too polluted or have heavy boat traffic) or would want to help out in installing it somewhere. In any case the general concept could be used to make a prototype to do tests with (isolation, power generation, etc). If someone has a good location near them I could maybe bring the gear and we could set it up there. Alternatively we could contact the 'bubble room' people (in the video)<br>
<br><br>Lee<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM, cole santos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cksantos85@gmail.com" target="_blank">cksantos85@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>I love otec, ive seen it in action on the big island. when combined with a thermal vent, or geothermal well it could be much more efficient. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Sep 27, 2012 1:59 AM, "Pastor Gabe" <<a href="mailto:gabeterasem@gmail.com" target="_blank">gabeterasem@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div>
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<div>Glad to see this discussion and wanted to throw a couple cents in...</div><div><br></div><div>There is a lot of interest in the seasteading community in space. There are I would say three factions of the movement: capitalists, libertarians and spacers. Someone noted that the there are many ties between sea and space but technology the least of them, and that in some ways is true. Especially when you look at the converted oil rig architecture, there is little practical application of that tech in space. Someone else however noted the link between underwater and space, which is exactly where I and the spacer faction of seasteaders want to take this. The political and ecological work done by seasteaders is also useful, but by it's nature I think this group is really focused on the tech. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Here is my vision for shared progress:</div><div><br></div><div>An ocean floor/submarine habitat, powered solely by OTEC, thermal vent or reactor simulates the conditions of space as best and as cheaply as possible, including the psychological isolation issues. Submerging a habitat is virtually free compared to placing it in orbit. Space actually has an advantage of allowing us to use inflatable technology that is not practical submarine. An argument I made during the 100yss conference is that seasteading is a sandbox for spacesteading. Sure some things will need to be adapted, but there is a lot we can test and in doing so develop the foundation and confidence that there is a commercially viable interest in a space industry. I ask people to look at America's founding, with large corporations not forming or coming onboard until small communities put it all on the line to make the move to the new frontier. The oceans may not be our destination, but it will be on our journey.</div>
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