[foodhacking] start up budget reached plus bit of summary

Fri Jun 14 03:22:37 CEST 2013

I will respond later on in detail. Just few very quick points.

1) most of the cash based on the crowd sourcing campaign are generally received at the beginning within first few days (based on my direct donation experience)

2) if you keep an eye on the Milliways crowd sourcing project for the trailer which Christian posted previously

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/build-a-milliways-food-trailer

they got most of the current donations at the beginning of the campaign the number went up just few hundreds in the last week or ten days. I do not see them promoting too much but still I'm worried, the are around for ten years or so, we should keep a notice on this one

3) cold room is  kind of expensive but really cool project and I think that it would be good promotional point getting people donate for it even if they do not know fhb or do not care too much. Also I wold like to remind my personal greed ambitions. If I brew in advance from my personal budget lets say 200 l of drinks = 400 x 0.5 l bottles and offer it for the 2eu donation as is usual on conferences for club mate and lets say split 30-50% profit with fhb, than I can get at least part of my flight ticket and entrance ticket covered (will be close to 1000 eu total) and we also get money in a cool way to our budget. Importantly we will have what to drink during the event (without having to buy it around). This would be first time when I could brew decent amount of drinks for an event which as a professional brewer I would love to. In the future it could be a solid part of both fhb and my budget for events like this.

4) people on the camps/events are generally very nice and respectful with one exception only - full crates or bottles of cooled club mate, that makes me bit worried concerning the shared style of the cold room which I really agree with Christian being very nice approach. 

OK 3D sketch and costing,

bye bye

FAA

Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck

biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker

http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org

"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

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 From: Christian Pfaab <christian at pfaab.name>
To: Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com> 
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Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: start up budget reached plus bit of summary

Hej,

On 06/11/2013 02:38 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:
> Greetings, We have reached our start up budget 515 eu,
> congratulations to US! :-) 

Awesome!

> I'm trying to get more info on Indiegogo for the crowd sourcing, hope
> to cover it soon, within next three days or so, help on that would be
> great so there is feed back.

Basicly as far as I grasp it, there are few alternatives that are well
known and not kickstarter.

> How can I sign in to the wiki and start to upload staff? User name
> Algoldor, code christian would suffice for now ...

https://foodhackingbase.org/doku.php?id=start&do=register
It should send you an email :) If not, ping me. You should be able to
upload pictures while editing a page.

> I will sit down and latest by Thursday I will propose the budgeting
> for the event and the crowd sourcing campaign. We already talked
> about that, the idea of scaling as Christian said is realistic. First
> I would suggest to dedicate first chunk of cash to kitchen equipment
> which we need and can not borrow, plus ingredients, I hope from
> bottom of my hearth that could be around 500 -600 eu.
> 
> After or within that would be the workshop/lounge pavilion, which at
> minimum means some tarp for roof and columns to support it, no floor
> (tables and chairs we have). From the top of my head 150-300 eu
> should do, maybe less for the basic one.

Sounds good.

> Third is washing area, we may be able to get sinks for the event, I'm
> checking on it, still the support structure and floor has to be done,
> maybe 50-200 eu (nice think to promote us, it would be for public use
> too, with us having priority access, next to fhb, sounds good?).

Do we have water taps? (for fresh and used waster?) Or do we have to
work with canisters?

> Last is the hexayurt based cold room which would be the solution for
> the probiotic drinks (which equals part of our donations, hopefully
> few hundreds euros and partly donations towards my flight ticket
> ...), also this facility would be cool thing to develop for next
> events and various other applications. Again this one would be partly
> for public use too, if we are OK with that, hope it would go smooth.
> The costs are unclear. We have one airc-on promissed for two days
> before the conference starts, I'm now hunting for another one for the
> conference, that would save around 200-300 eu of costs. The
> construction should be below 400 eu for sure, otherwise it would be
> too expensive - we would need a special donor/s to cover that. By the
> way I got an info that the creator of hexayurt system Vinai is coming
> to OHM 2013 and he is going to be around to give some advice, sounds
> good to me, we may not end up with some strange "triangle" after all
> ... :-)

I fear we might wreck the the Airco. We should put money from the
donations at the event aside for this case, if it is borrowed.

I am very much for public use of the coldroom. I would even propose a
"swap your hot mate against cool one" programm as well (As long as we do
not use all the mate there to keep temperature somewhat stable)

> Anyway so if we think about that quickly, 600 eu for the kitchen, 250
> eu for the workshop/lounge pavilion, 150 eu for washing station and
> lets be optimistic around 500 eu for the hexayurt, that gives us in
> total 1500 eu. I'm sure that there are things like lights, extension
> leads and million other staff worth of another 150-300 eu, so 1800
> eu.

Without wanting to sound to pessimistic, this is just one part of the
costs. It falls under infrastructure and all is cool. Yet I fear many
other things would be useful in the long run as well. I would not
challenge kitchen/workshop area/washing facility, but I really wonder
about the cold room which is expensive and unclear (as in still plannig
stage). On par with the Cold room there is the question about
integredients for projects (Matelade) that needs to be advanced and gear
that we (might) want to get for the long run. A decent blender that can
run everyday for a long time is one of such cost factors, as well as
other things. My rough guess is, that we should hope/plan another 600 Eu
for this stuff. I personally hope we do not have to decide between
coldroom and gear (coldroom we cannot scale lower as a certain point)

> It seems to me bit risky to set our target for crowd sourcing at
> indiegogo (or other if you have suggestions) at 1000 eu. I would
> rather go the way as Christian suggested and scale up with basic goal
> of around 500-700 eu and if reached than next step for example 1000
> and third one 1500 eu, with the priorities fallowing as mentioned
> above (kitche, proper workshop/lounge pavilion, washing station and
> cold room). What do you think?

Yepe.  Do a flexible funding campaing, which means IF we fail we pay 9%,
but still get money.

> Well that should be enough for now in next two days I will come back
> with "appropriate" proposal of costing and 3D models, please
> contribute your ideas etc. and think about the logo. How much time do
> we have Christian to be able to order the stickers and material for
> the batches? What would be the deadline for the payment, could you
> update how much?

I ll fire a mail out after this one :)

A second important thing is, there is a good deal of money that needs to
be advanced and an unclear amount of donations that we are getting at
OHM for being so incredible awesome. If you think, that you would be
willing to advance some money if all other things fail, and do accept to
be paid back from incomeing donations at OHM, and/or easily sourceable
stuff at ohm that we can get (Matelade, Matecrates) just shoot a mail at
Frantisek. (sorry for not talking about it with you before this). It
might be the last bit of money that makes the Coldroom happen :)

Cheers,
Christian
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