<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt">I will respond later on in detail. Just few very quick points.<br><br>1) most of the cash based on the crowd sourcing campaign are generally received at the beginning within first few days (based on my direct donation experience)<br><br>2) if you keep an eye on the Milliways crowd sourcing project for the trailer which Christian posted previously<br><br>http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/build-a-milliways-food-trailer<br><br>they got most of the current donations at the beginning of the campaign the number went up just few hundreds in the last week or ten days. I do not see them promoting too much but still I'm worried, the are around for ten years or so, we should keep a notice on this one<br><br>3) cold room is kind of expensive but really cool project and I think that it would be good promotional point getting people
donate for it even if they do not know fhb or do not care too much. Also I wold like to remind my personal greed ambitions. If I brew in advance from my personal budget lets say 200 l of drinks = 400 x 0.5 l bottles and offer it for the 2eu donation as is usual on conferences for club mate and lets say split 30-50% profit with fhb, than I can get at least part of my flight ticket and entrance ticket covered (will be close to 1000 eu total) and we also get money in a cool way to our budget. Importantly we will have what to drink during the event (without having to buy it around). This would be first time when I could brew decent amount of drinks for an event which as a professional brewer I would love to. In the future it could be a solid part of both fhb and my budget for events like this.<br><br>4) people on the camps/events are generally very nice and respectful with one exception only - full crates or bottles of cooled club mate, that makes me bit
worried concerning the shared style of the cold room which I really agree with Christian being very nice approach. <br><div><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>OK 3D sketch and costing,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>bye bye</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px; font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13.3333px;
font-family: bookman old style,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>FAA<br></span></div><div> </div><div>Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck<br><br></div><div>biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker</div><br><br><div>http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org</div><div><br><br></div><div>"There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi<br><br> <div style="font-family: bookman old style, new york, times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Christian Pfaab <christian@pfaab.name><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Food Hacking Hackerspaces org Food Hacking Hackerspaces org
<foodhacking@lists.hackerspaces.org>; Lurwah <lurwah@gmail.com>; Evina Steinova <evincek@gmail.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 14, 2013 1:53 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: start up budget reached plus bit of summary<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>Hej,<br><br>On 06/11/2013 02:38 PM, Frantisek Apfelbeck wrote:<br>> Greetings, We have reached our start up budget 515 eu,<br>> congratulations to US! :-) <br><br>Awesome!<br><br>> I'm trying to get more info on Indiegogo for the crowd sourcing, hope<br>> to cover it soon, within next three days or so, help on that would be<br>> great so there is feed back.<br><br>Basicly as far as I grasp it, there are few alternatives that are well<br>known and not kickstarter.<br><br>> How can I sign in to the wiki and start to upload staff? User name<br>> Algoldor, code christian would
suffice for now ...<br><br><a href="https://foodhackingbase.org/doku.php?id=start&do=register" target="_blank">https://foodhackingbase.org/doku.php?id=start&do=register</a><br>It should send you an email :) If not, ping me. You should be able to<br>upload pictures while editing a page.<br><br><br>> I will sit down and latest by Thursday I will propose the budgeting<br>> for the event and the crowd sourcing campaign. We already talked<br>> about that, the idea of scaling as Christian said is realistic. First<br>> I would suggest to dedicate first chunk of cash to kitchen equipment<br>> which we need and can not borrow, plus ingredients, I hope from<br>> bottom of my hearth that could be around 500 -600 eu.<br>> <br>> After or within that would be the workshop/lounge pavilion, which at<br>> minimum means some tarp for roof and columns to support it, no floor<br>> (tables and chairs we have). From the top of my head
150-300 eu<br>> should do, maybe less for the basic one.<br><br>Sounds good.<br><br>> Third is washing area, we may be able to get sinks for the event, I'm<br>> checking on it, still the support structure and floor has to be done,<br>> maybe 50-200 eu (nice think to promote us, it would be for public use<br>> too, with us having priority access, next to fhb, sounds good?).<br><br>Do we have water taps? (for fresh and used waster?) Or do we have to<br>work with canisters?<br><br>> Last is the hexayurt based cold room which would be the solution for<br>> the probiotic drinks (which equals part of our donations, hopefully<br>> few hundreds euros and partly donations towards my flight ticket<br>> ...), also this facility would be cool thing to develop for next<br>> events and various other applications. Again this one would be partly<br>> for public use too, if we are OK with that, hope it would go smooth.<br>> The costs
are unclear. We have one airc-on promissed for two days<br>> before the conference starts, I'm now hunting for another one for the<br>> conference, that would save around 200-300 eu of costs. The<br>> construction should be below 400 eu for sure, otherwise it would be<br>> too expensive - we would need a special donor/s to cover that. By the<br>> way I got an info that the creator of hexayurt system Vinai is coming<br>> to OHM 2013 and he is going to be around to give some advice, sounds<br>> good to me, we may not end up with some strange "triangle" after all<br>> ... :-)<br><br>I fear we might wreck the the Airco. We should put money from the<br>donations at the event aside for this case, if it is borrowed.<br><br>I am very much for public use of the coldroom. I would even propose a<br>"swap your hot mate against cool one" programm as well (As long as we do<br>not use all the mate there to keep temperature somewhat
stable)<br><br>> Anyway so if we think about that quickly, 600 eu for the kitchen, 250<br>> eu for the workshop/lounge pavilion, 150 eu for washing station and<br>> lets be optimistic around 500 eu for the hexayurt, that gives us in<br>> total 1500 eu. I'm sure that there are things like lights, extension<br>> leads and million other staff worth of another 150-300 eu, so 1800<br>> eu.<br><br>Without wanting to sound to pessimistic, this is just one part of the<br>costs. It falls under infrastructure and all is cool. Yet I fear many<br>other things would be useful in the long run as well. I would not<br>challenge kitchen/workshop area/washing facility, but I really wonder<br>about the cold room which is expensive and unclear (as in still plannig<br>stage). On par with the Cold room there is the question about<br>integredients for projects (Matelade) that needs to be advanced and gear<br>that we (might) want to get for the long run. A
decent blender that can<br>run everyday for a long time is one of such cost factors, as well as<br>other things. My rough guess is, that we should hope/plan another 600 Eu<br>for this stuff. I personally hope we do not have to decide between<br>coldroom and gear (coldroom we cannot scale lower as a certain point)<br><br>> It seems to me bit risky to set our target for crowd sourcing at<br>> indiegogo (or other if you have suggestions) at 1000 eu. I would<br>> rather go the way as Christian suggested and scale up with basic goal<br>> of around 500-700 eu and if reached than next step for example 1000<br>> and third one 1500 eu, with the priorities fallowing as mentioned<br>> above (kitche, proper workshop/lounge pavilion, washing station and<br>> cold room). What do you think?<br><br>Yepe. Do a flexible funding campaing, which means IF we fail we pay 9%,<br>but still get money.<br><br>> Well that should be enough for now in
next two days I will come back<br>> with "appropriate" proposal of costing and 3D models, please<br>> contribute your ideas etc. and think about the logo. How much time do<br>> we have Christian to be able to order the stickers and material for<br>> the batches? What would be the deadline for the payment, could you<br>> update how much?<br><br>I ll fire a mail out after this one :)<br><br><br>A second important thing is, there is a good deal of money that needs to<br>be advanced and an unclear amount of donations that we are getting at<br>OHM for being so incredible awesome. If you think, that you would be<br>willing to advance some money if all other things fail, and do accept to<br>be paid back from incomeing donations at OHM, and/or easily sourceable<br>stuff at ohm that we can get (Matelade, Matecrates) just shoot a mail at<br>Frantisek. (sorry for not talking about it with you before this). It<br>might be the last bit of money that
makes the Coldroom happen :)<br><br><br>Cheers,<br>Christian<br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>