[hackerspaces] Wiki cleanup: what to do with unrelated pages?

Ben Brown ben at generik.ca
Fri Jul 7 18:02:31 CEST 2017

I would submit that there are plenty of things that could be on a local
hackerspace wiki that makes no sense going on hackerspaces.org.

Cleaning schedule. Network layout. The Dragonborn.


On 2017-07-07 4:34 AM, Jurgen Gaeremyn wrote:
> Could you please start a separate thread on how to shoot other people
> in the leg? ;)
> I experienced this question to the list as a perfect example on
> non-censorship: these persons are considering to clean up the wiki,
> and are asking for pointers.
> Ever had a discussion about stockpiling in your hackerspace? did you
> also have 2 camps? I can imagine the same would happen if you talk
> about cleaning up the wiki).
> To get back on topic...
> I think an important part of the question isn't in there: what's the
> reason you want to clean up the wiki? I've heard "feature bloat" as
> the best attempt to answering. So you want to keep the wiki on topic
> about what a hackerspace is about. The nice thing about a wiki is that
> it grows organic in the way the members mold it...
> Obviously, if bloat is an issue... the next question is how does this
> bloat manifest? I mean, a Wiki is inherently a site that has a lot of
> information and can quickly grow. Is it bloated because a lot of pages
> have 0 visitors per year? Or because you have a lot of unmaintained
> pages? What's the set of criteria to decide that a page is unrelated?
> What's the scope of "hackerspaces.org" and what exceeds it?
> So one thing you could do, is require hackerspace membership to be
> able to alter it. Or you could federate it and have elaborate local
> topics to be visited on the wiki or website of that local hackerspace.
> Having outbound links would be nice to interconnect to different sites
> and not have to duplicate content (but is has the risk of having dead
> links or even loss of information if some site goes down).
> Then there's an easy litmus test: if the local hackerspace doesn't
> want it on their pages... it also doesn't belong on the one of
> hackerspaces.org
> I love the suggestion to be excellent to each other.
> (oh, and if you smell chicken, you're holding the wrong side of your
> soldering iron)
> Grtz,
> Jurgen
> On 07-07-17 10:21, idnc_sk wrote:
>> No, of course it could be [asking for opening _another thread_ about
>> _another subject_]
>> but I reacted to "Wiki cleanup: what to do with unrelated pages"
>> interesting you took it personally.. wonder why ..
>> "Already know well some of Mark's theories" - I don't, yet so can't
>> really argue
>> Of course, not everything is black and white..
>> /My colleague starts shooting people in their legs - all of them,
>> every single human //
>> //he encounters because he always wanted to be an athlete, if all the
>> others had a bullet//
>> //in their leg he could be a champion. There are many tricks he
>> learned how to get that //
>> //bullet in someones leg. People are naive right? To make the
>> transformation easier,
>> my other colleague runs huge campaigns proclaiming its OK to have //a
>> bullet in your leg,
>> (some)people throughout the ages had one, learn to live with
>> it,//embrace your bullet, //
>> a bullet for everyone! My other colleague starts a campaign aimed at
>> the intellectuals
>> - ok we know that a bullet is un-humane thing but look at these
>> carefully vetted studies.
>> we have to do that to "save the world"(tm) from all the
>> agressively-fast running people
>> ..... fun fun and moooore fun
>> /
>> On 07/07/2017 10:03 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 4:17 AM, idnc_sk <idnc_sk at vpslab.org> wrote:
>>>> Sounds more like a censorship attempt, or an attempt to make sure .org stays
>>>> as castrated, toothless, incapable of catalyzing real change as all the
>>>> prominent "special-interest-people-from-NGOs"-run hackerspaces "managing"
>>>> the hacker community. Who will decide whats relevant and what not, nobody
>>>> should, make your on-site indexes and search filters better but don't remove
>>>> content(at all/from index etc). If you need free computing resources I can
>>>> give you storage/bandwidth for free - if somehow you'd try to turn it into a
>>>> "financial burden" cloak.
>>> Is simply asking for opening _another thread_ about _another subject_
>>> a kind of "censorship"?  Even when both the threads would be exactly
>>> on the same list?  Woww...  Cultural differences are always
>>> fascinating!  :D
>>> I thank you sincerely for "your free computing resources", but
>>> "financial burden" was never my point.  You should re-read my message
>>> v-e-r-y, VERY, veeeryyy s-l-o-w-e-r, with calm and much more
>>> attention.  Already know well some of Mark's theories and it's always
>>> interesting to see how some people want to teach other people how to
>>> make revolutions and be more human and, at the same time, strongly
>>> reject transsexualism and other concepts deeply related with
>>> respecting to human rights.
>>> Please, *do not censor me* you too.  I have the right to ask him to
>>> expose his ideas in another thread to keep the HGDL a bit more
>>> organized.  If he wants to create another thread or not, it's his
>>> problem, not mine or yours.
>>> -------
>>> "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or
>>> your curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on
>>> and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live."  -
>>>  Mae Jemison
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