[hackerspaces] Wiki cleanup: what to do with unrelated pages?

[Matt Joyce]

The Dragonborn is probably now an honorary member of all spaces.

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Ben Brown <ben at generik.ca> wrote:

> I would submit that there are plenty of things that could be on a local
> hackerspace wiki that makes no sense going on hackerspaces.org.
>
> Cleaning schedule. Network layout. The Dragonborn.
>
> Ben
>
>
> On 2017-07-07 4:34 AM, Jurgen Gaeremyn wrote:
>
> Could you please start a separate thread on how to shoot other people in
> the leg? ;)
> I experienced this question to the list as a perfect example on
> non-censorship: these persons are considering to clean up the wiki, and are
> asking for pointers.
>
> Ever had a discussion about stockpiling in your hackerspace? did you also
> have 2 camps? I can imagine the same would happen if you talk about
> cleaning up the wiki).
>
> To get back on topic...
>
> I think an important part of the question isn't in there: what's the
> reason you want to clean up the wiki? I've heard "feature bloat" as the
> best attempt to answering. So you want to keep the wiki on topic about what
> a hackerspace is about. The nice thing about a wiki is that it grows
> organic in the way the members mold it...
>
> Obviously, if bloat is an issue... the next question is how does this
> bloat manifest? I mean, a Wiki is inherently a site that has a lot of
> information and can quickly grow. Is it bloated because a lot of pages have
> 0 visitors per year? Or because you have a lot of unmaintained pages?
> What's the set of criteria to decide that a page is unrelated? What's the
> scope of "hackerspaces.org" and what exceeds it?
>
> So one thing you could do, is require hackerspace membership to be able to
> alter it. Or you could federate it and have elaborate local topics to be
> visited on the wiki or website of that local hackerspace. Having outbound
> links would be nice to interconnect to different sites and not have to
> duplicate content (but is has the risk of having dead links or even loss of
> information if some site goes down).
>
> Then there's an easy litmus test: if the local hackerspace doesn't want it
> on their pages... it also doesn't belong on the one of hackerspaces.org
>
> I love the suggestion to be excellent to each other.
> (oh, and if you smell chicken, you're holding the wrong side of your
> soldering iron)
>
> Grtz,
> Jurgen
>
> On 07-07-17 10:21, idnc_sk wrote:
>
> No, of course it could be [asking for opening _another thread_ about
> _another subject_]
> but I reacted to "Wiki cleanup: what to do with unrelated pages"
>
> interesting you took it personally.. wonder why ..
>
> "Already know well some of Mark's theories" - I don't, yet so can't really
> argue
>
> Of course, not everything is black and white..
> *My colleague starts shooting people in their legs - all of them, every
> single human *
> *he encounters because he always wanted to be an athlete, if all the
> others had a bullet*
> *in their leg he could be a champion. There are many tricks he learned how
> to get that *
>
> *bullet in someones leg. People are naive right? To make the
> transformation easier, my other colleague runs huge campaigns proclaiming
> its OK to have *
> *a bullet in your leg, (some)people throughout the ages had one, learn to
> live with it,** embrace your bullet, *
>
>
>
>
> * a bullet for everyone! My other colleague starts a campaign aimed at the
> intellectuals - ok we know that a bullet is un-humane thing but look at
> these carefully vetted studies. we have to do that to "save the world"(tm)
> from all the agressively-fast running people ..... fun fun and moooore fun *
>
> On 07/07/2017 10:03 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 4:17 AM, idnc_sk <idnc_sk at vpslab.org> <idnc_sk at vpslab.org> wrote:
>
> Sounds more like a censorship attempt, or an attempt to make sure .org stays
> as castrated, toothless, incapable of catalyzing real change as all the
> prominent "special-interest-people-from-NGOs"-run hackerspaces "managing"
> the hacker community. Who will decide whats relevant and what not, nobody
> should, make your on-site indexes and search filters better but don't remove
> content(at all/from index etc). If you need free computing resources I can
> give you storage/bandwidth for free - if somehow you'd try to turn it into a
> "financial burden" cloak.
>
> Is simply asking for opening _another thread_ about _another subject_
> a kind of "censorship"?  Even when both the threads would be exactly
> on the same list?  Woww...  Cultural differences are always
> fascinating!  :D
>
> I thank you sincerely for "your free computing resources", but
> "financial burden" was never my point.  You should re-read my message
> v-e-r-y, VERY, veeeryyy s-l-o-w-e-r, with calm and much more
> attention.  Already know well some of Mark's theories and it's always
> interesting to see how some people want to teach other people how to
> make revolutions and be more human and, at the same time, strongly
> reject transsexualism and other concepts deeply related with
> respecting to human rights.
>
> Please, *do not censor me* you too.  I have the right to ask him to
> expose his ideas in another thread to keep the HGDL a bit more
> organized.  If he wants to create another thread or not, it's his
> problem, not mine or yours.
>
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>  Mae Jemison
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