[hackerspaces] Wiki cleanup: what to do with unrelated pages?

Jurgen Gaeremyn jurgen at gaeremyn.be
Fri Jul 7 10:34:53 CEST 2017

Could you please start a separate thread on how to shoot other people in 
the leg? ;)

I experienced this question to the list as a perfect example on 
non-censorship: these persons are considering to clean up the wiki, and 
are asking for pointers.

Ever had a discussion about stockpiling in your hackerspace? did you 
also have 2 camps? I can imagine the same would happen if you talk about 
cleaning up the wiki).

To get back on topic...

I think an important part of the question isn't in there: what's the 
reason you want to clean up the wiki? I've heard "feature bloat" as the 
best attempt to answering. So you want to keep the wiki on topic about 
what a hackerspace is about. The nice thing about a wiki is that it 
grows organic in the way the members mold it...

Obviously, if bloat is an issue... the next question is how does this 
bloat manifest? I mean, a Wiki is inherently a site that has a lot of 
information and can quickly grow. Is it bloated because a lot of pages 
have 0 visitors per year? Or because you have a lot of unmaintained 
pages? What's the set of criteria to decide that a page is unrelated? 
What's the scope of "hackerspaces.org" and what exceeds it?

So one thing you could do, is require hackerspace membership to be able 
to alter it. Or you could federate it and have elaborate local topics to 
be visited on the wiki or website of that local hackerspace. Having 
outbound links would be nice to interconnect to different sites and not 
have to duplicate content (but is has the risk of having dead links or 
even loss of information if some site goes down).

Then there's an easy litmus test: if the local hackerspace doesn't want 
it on their pages... it also doesn't belong on the one of hackerspaces.org

I love the suggestion to be excellent to each other.
(oh, and if you smell chicken, you're holding the wrong side of your 
soldering iron)


On 07-07-17 10:21, idnc_sk wrote:
> No, of course it could be [asking for opening _another thread_ about 
> _another subject_]
> but I reacted to "Wiki cleanup: what to do with unrelated pages"
> interesting you took it personally.. wonder why ..
> "Already know well some of Mark's theories" - I don't, yet so can't 
> really argue
> Of course, not everything is black and white..
> /My colleague starts shooting people in their legs - all of them, 
> every single human //
> //he encounters because he always wanted to be an athlete, if all the 
> others had a bullet//
> //in their leg he could be a champion. There are many tricks he 
> learned how to get that //
> //bullet in someones leg. People are naive right? To make the 
> transformation easier,
> my other colleague runs huge campaigns proclaiming its OK to have //a 
> bullet in your leg,
> (some)people throughout the ages had one, learn to live with 
> it,//embrace your bullet, //
> a bullet for everyone! My other colleague starts a campaign aimed at 
> the intellectuals
> - ok we know that a bullet is un-humane thing but look at these 
> carefully vetted studies.
> we have to do that to "save the world"(tm) from all the 
> agressively-fast running people
> ..... fun fun and moooore fun
> /
> On 07/07/2017 10:03 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 4:17 AM, idnc_sk<idnc_sk at vpslab.org>  wrote:
>>> Sounds more like a censorship attempt, or an attempt to make sure .org stays
>>> as castrated, toothless, incapable of catalyzing real change as all the
>>> prominent "special-interest-people-from-NGOs"-run hackerspaces "managing"
>>> the hacker community. Who will decide whats relevant and what not, nobody
>>> should, make your on-site indexes and search filters better but don't remove
>>> content(at all/from index etc). If you need free computing resources I can
>>> give you storage/bandwidth for free - if somehow you'd try to turn it into a
>>> "financial burden" cloak.
>> Is simply asking for opening _another thread_ about _another subject_
>> a kind of "censorship"?  Even when both the threads would be exactly
>> on the same list?  Woww...  Cultural differences are always
>> fascinating!  :D
>> I thank you sincerely for "your free computing resources", but
>> "financial burden" was never my point.  You should re-read my message
>> v-e-r-y, VERY, veeeryyy s-l-o-w-e-r, with calm and much more
>> attention.  Already know well some of Mark's theories and it's always
>> interesting to see how some people want to teach other people how to
>> make revolutions and be more human and, at the same time, strongly
>> reject transsexualism and other concepts deeply related with
>> respecting to human rights.
>> Please, *do not censor me* you too.  I have the right to ask him to
>> expose his ideas in another thread to keep the HGDL a bit more
>> organized.  If he wants to create another thread or not, it's his
>> problem, not mine or yours.
>> -------
>> "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or
>> your curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on
>> and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live."  -
>>   Mae Jemison
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