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I would submit that there are plenty of things that could be on a
local hackerspace wiki that makes no sense going on
hackerspaces.org.<br>
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Cleaning schedule. Network layout. The Dragonborn.<br>
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Ben<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-07-07 4:34 AM, Jurgen Gaeremyn
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<p>Could you please start a separate thread on how to shoot other
people in the leg? ;)</p>
I experienced this question to the list as a perfect example on
non-censorship: these persons are considering to clean up the
wiki, and are asking for pointers.
<p> Ever had a discussion about stockpiling in your hackerspace?
did you also have 2 camps? I can imagine the same would happen
if you talk about cleaning up the wiki).</p>
<p>To get back on topic...<br>
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<p>I think an important part of the question isn't in there:
what's the reason you want to clean up the wiki? I've heard
"feature bloat" as the best attempt to answering. So you want to
keep the wiki on topic about what a hackerspace is about. The
nice thing about a wiki is that it grows organic in the way the
members mold it...</p>
<p>Obviously, if bloat is an issue... the next question is how
does this bloat manifest? I mean, a Wiki is inherently a site
that has a lot of information and can quickly grow. Is it
bloated because a lot of pages have 0 visitors per year? Or
because you have a lot of unmaintained pages? What's the set of
criteria to decide that a page is unrelated? What's the scope of
"hackerspaces.org" and what exceeds it?<br>
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<p>So one thing you could do, is require hackerspace membership to
be able to alter it. Or you could federate it and have elaborate
local topics to be visited on the wiki or website of that local
hackerspace. Having outbound links would be nice to interconnect
to different sites and not have to duplicate content (but is has
the risk of having dead links or even loss of information if
some site goes down).</p>
<p>Then there's an easy litmus test: if the local hackerspace
doesn't want it on their pages... it also doesn't belong on the
one of hackerspaces.org</p>
<p>I love the suggestion to be excellent to each other.<br>
(oh, and if you smell chicken, you're holding the wrong side of
your soldering iron)<br>
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<p>Grtz,<br>
Jurgen<br>
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<p>No, of course it could be [asking for opening _another
thread_ about _another subject_] <br>
but I reacted to "Wiki cleanup: what to do with unrelated
pages"</p>
<p>interesting you took it personally.. wonder why ..<br>
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<p>"Already know well some of Mark's theories" - I don't, yet so
can't really argue<br>
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Of course, not everything is black and white..<br>
<i>My colleague starts shooting people in their legs - all of
them, every single human </i><i><br>
</i><i>he encounters because he always wanted to be an
athlete, if all the others had a bullet</i><i><br>
</i><i>in their leg he could be a champion. There are many
tricks he learned how to get that </i><i><br>
</i><i>bullet in someones leg. People are naive right? To make
the transformation easier,<br>
my other colleague runs huge campaigns proclaiming its OK to
have </i><i>a bullet in your leg, <br>
(some)people throughout the ages had one, learn to live with
it,</i><i> embrace your bullet, </i><i><br>
a bullet for everyone! My other colleague starts a campaign
aimed at the intellectuals<br>
- ok we know that a bullet is un-humane thing but look at
these carefully vetted studies. <br>
we have to do that to "save the world"(tm) from all the
agressively-fast running people<br>
..... fun fun and moooore fun<br>
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<pre wrap="">Sounds more like a censorship attempt, or an attempt to make sure .org stays
as castrated, toothless, incapable of catalyzing real change as all the
prominent "special-interest-people-from-NGOs"-run hackerspaces "managing"
the hacker community. Who will decide whats relevant and what not, nobody
should, make your on-site indexes and search filters better but don't remove
content(at all/from index etc). If you need free computing resources I can
give you storage/bandwidth for free - if somehow you'd try to turn it into a
"financial burden" cloak.
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<pre wrap="">Is simply asking for opening _another thread_ about _another subject_
a kind of "censorship"? Even when both the threads would be exactly
on the same list? Woww... Cultural differences are always
fascinating! :D
I thank you sincerely for "your free computing resources", but
"financial burden" was never my point. You should re-read my message
v-e-r-y, VERY, veeeryyy s-l-o-w-e-r, with calm and much more
attention. Already know well some of Mark's theories and it's always
interesting to see how some people want to teach other people how to
make revolutions and be more human and, at the same time, strongly
reject transsexualism and other concepts deeply related with
respecting to human rights.
Please, *do not censor me* you too. I have the right to ask him to
expose his ideas in another thread to keep the HGDL a bit more
organized. If he wants to create another thread or not, it's his
problem, not mine or yours.
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your curiosity. It's your place in the world; it's your life. Go on
and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." -
Mae Jemison
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