[hackerspaces] Dear hackerspaces, bad news

[matt]

my point was the design patterns specifically caution against having a
supreme dictator who pays for everything.


On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Florencia Edwards <floev22 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Read the Hacker Space Design Patterns a  long time ago. Our opinion
> doesn't matter, the owner makes the final decision, is those makerspace
> with a "dictator" that puts in all the money in the beginning for a huge
> space, with a lot of machinery, so he decides.
>
> My question is, does any other makerspace have payed staff? How do you pay
> them? I'd love the staff here to be volunteer but i promise in my country
> people can't commit easily as volunteers because life is too expensive,
> there is no time , we work from 9 or 8 am until 7 pm and everyone is in
> debt. We are not a developed country, and the community of makers that are
> awesome don't have a cent to donate and don't trust people. We had a crowd
> funding platform in our country and it went bankrupt because people don't
> believe in donations, they always feel they are being ripped off.
>
> It's not easy I just want to know what you guys think could be done better
> (obviusly having a sort of dictator is the worst scenario, being it a
> company and not a foundation it's also the worst scenario,and having big
> brands come in it's , like someone said, a slap in the face) *but I'
> curious, do you think  having a  payed staff was one of the big mistakes?*
>
> Thanks for everything guys, every answer helps us
>
>
> 2014-03-16 21:25 GMT-04:00 matt <matt at nycresistor.com>:
>
> as per johannes read this:
>>
>> http://hackerspaces.org/images/8/8e/Hacker-Space-Design-Patterns.pdf
>>
>> start there.  cause it's obvious you guys violated like a solid 50% of
>> the design patterns.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Florencia Edwards <floev22 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I agree but this is because the owner doesnt trust, in our culture and
>>> country, volunteer work. Lots of us started for free and he was the one who
>>> wanted us to be full time, and paid so he could demand more tasks and
>>> comitment
>>> El 16/03/2014 20:40, "matt" <matt at nycresistor.com> escribió:
>>>
>>> This is such a bizarre concept.  And frankly it's something you see more
>>>> with co-working spaces or spaces so large they lack any identifiable
>>>> community or culture.
>>>>
>>>> While I am all for a space paying for garbage pickup, and maybe even a
>>>> made service.  I feel like you've done something essentially wrong in
>>>> building your community if you need someone to be a paid gatekeeper.
>>>>
>>>> -matt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Florencia Edwards <floev22 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It means it is payment as gratiude but for the hours of work (8 hours
>>>>> with scheduale) it doesn't get you by, they call them unethical wages
>>>>> El 16/03/2014 20:14, "Danyelle Davis" <ddavis at codetemptress.net>
>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What does symbolic wage mean?
>>>>>>
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