[hackerspaces] Dear hackerspaces, bad news

[Florencia Edwards]

Read the Hacker Space Design Patterns a  long time ago. Our opinion doesn't
matter, the owner makes the final decision, is those makerspace with a
"dictator" that puts in all the money in the beginning for a huge space,
with a lot of machinery, so he decides.

My question is, does any other makerspace have payed staff? How do you pay
them? I'd love the staff here to be volunteer but i promise in my country
people can't commit easily as volunteers because life is too expensive,
there is no time , we work from 9 or 8 am until 7 pm and everyone is in
debt. We are not a developed country, and the community of makers that are
awesome don't have a cent to donate and don't trust people. We had a crowd
funding platform in our country and it went bankrupt because people don't
believe in donations, they always feel they are being ripped off.

It's not easy I just want to know what you guys think could be done better
(obviusly having a sort of dictator is the worst scenario, being it a
company and not a foundation it's also the worst scenario,and having big
brands come in it's , like someone said, a slap in the face) *but I'
curious, do you think  having a  payed staff was one of the big mistakes?*

Thanks for everything guys, every answer helps us


2014-03-16 21:25 GMT-04:00 matt <matt at nycresistor.com>:

> as per johannes read this:
>
> http://hackerspaces.org/images/8/8e/Hacker-Space-Design-Patterns.pdf
>
> start there.  cause it's obvious you guys violated like a solid 50% of the
> design patterns.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Florencia Edwards <floev22 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I agree but this is because the owner doesnt trust, in our culture and
>> country, volunteer work. Lots of us started for free and he was the one who
>> wanted us to be full time, and paid so he could demand more tasks and
>> comitment
>> El 16/03/2014 20:40, "matt" <matt at nycresistor.com> escribió:
>>
>> This is such a bizarre concept.  And frankly it's something you see more
>>> with co-working spaces or spaces so large they lack any identifiable
>>> community or culture.
>>>
>>> While I am all for a space paying for garbage pickup, and maybe even a
>>> made service.  I feel like you've done something essentially wrong in
>>> building your community if you need someone to be a paid gatekeeper.
>>>
>>> -matt
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Florencia Edwards <floev22 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> It means it is payment as gratiude but for the hours of work (8 hours
>>>> with scheduale) it doesn't get you by, they call them unethical wages
>>>> El 16/03/2014 20:14, "Danyelle Davis" <ddavis at codetemptress.net>
>>>> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> What does symbolic wage mean?
>>>>>
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