<div dir="ltr">my point was the design patterns specifically caution against having a supreme dictator who pays for everything.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Florencia Edwards <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:floev22@gmail.com" target="_blank">floev22@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Read the Hacker Space Design Patterns a long time ago. Our opinion doesn't matter, the owner makes the final decision, is those makerspace with a "dictator" that puts in all the money in the beginning for a huge space, with a lot of machinery, so he decides. <div>
<br></div><div>My question is, does any other makerspace have payed staff? How do you pay them? I'd love the staff here to be volunteer but i promise in my country people can't commit easily as volunteers because life is too expensive, there is no time , we work from 9 or 8 am until 7 pm and everyone is in debt. We are not a developed country, and the community of makers that are awesome don't have a cent to donate and don't trust people. We had a crowd funding platform in our country and it went bankrupt because people don't believe in donations, they always feel they are being ripped off. </div>
<div><br></div><div>It's not easy I just want to know what you guys think could be done better (obviusly having a sort of dictator is the worst scenario, being it a company and not a foundation it's also the worst scenario,and having big brands come in it's , like someone said, a slap in the face) <b>but I' curious, do you think having a payed staff was one of the big mistakes?</b></div>
<div><b><br></b></div><div>Thanks for everything guys, every answer helps us </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-03-16 21:25 GMT-04:00 matt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>></span>:<div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>as per johannes read this:<br><br><a href="http://hackerspaces.org/images/8/8e/Hacker-Space-Design-Patterns.pdf" target="_blank">http://hackerspaces.org/images/8/8e/Hacker-Space-Design-Patterns.pdf</a><br>
<br></div>start there. cause it's obvious you guys violated like a solid 50% of the design patterns.<br>
</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Florencia Edwards <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:floev22@gmail.com" target="_blank">floev22@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p>I agree but this is because the owner doesnt trust, in our culture and country, volunteer work. Lots of us started for free and he was the one who wanted us to be full time, and paid so he could demand more tasks and comitment</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">El 16/03/2014 20:40, "matt" <<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>> escribió:<div><div><br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div>This is such a bizarre concept. And frankly it's something you see more with co-working spaces or spaces so large they lack any identifiable community or culture.<br><br></div>While I am all for a space paying for garbage pickup, and maybe even a made service. I feel like you've done something essentially wrong in building your community if you need someone to be a paid gatekeeper.<br>
<br></div>-matt<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Florencia Edwards <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:floev22@gmail.com" target="_blank">floev22@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p>It means it is payment as gratiude but for the hours of work (8 hours with scheduale) it doesn't get you by, they call them unethical wages</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">El 16/03/2014 20:14, "Danyelle Davis" <<a href="mailto:ddavis@codetemptress.net" target="_blank">ddavis@codetemptress.net</a>> escribió:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p dir="ltr">What does symbolic wage mean? </p><div>
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