[hackerspaces] Dear hackerspaces, bad news

[nog3]

"is those makerspace with a "dictator" that puts in all the money in the
beginning for a huge space, with a lot of machinery, so he decides. "

That's no moon.

We had a member like this a few months back (but sociopathically aggressive
against the executive), it took a lot of effort to finally remove them.


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:37 PM, matt <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:

> my point was the design patterns specifically caution against having a
> supreme dictator who pays for everything.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Florencia Edwards <floev22 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Read the Hacker Space Design Patterns a  long time ago. Our opinion
>> doesn't matter, the owner makes the final decision, is those makerspace
>> with a "dictator" that puts in all the money in the beginning for a huge
>> space, with a lot of machinery, so he decides.
>>
>> My question is, does any other makerspace have payed staff? How do you
>> pay them? I'd love the staff here to be volunteer but i promise in my
>> country people can't commit easily as volunteers because life is too
>> expensive, there is no time , we work from 9 or 8 am until 7 pm and
>> everyone is in debt. We are not a developed country, and the community of
>> makers that are awesome don't have a cent to donate and don't trust people.
>> We had a crowd funding platform in our country and it went bankrupt because
>> people don't believe in donations, they always feel they are being ripped
>> off.
>>
>> It's not easy I just want to know what you guys think could be done
>> better (obviusly having a sort of dictator is the worst scenario, being it
>> a company and not a foundation it's also the worst scenario,and having big
>> brands come in it's , like someone said, a slap in the face) *but I'
>> curious, do you think  having a  payed staff was one of the big mistakes?*
>>
>> Thanks for everything guys, every answer helps us
>>
>>
>> 2014-03-16 21:25 GMT-04:00 matt <matt at nycresistor.com>:
>>
>> as per johannes read this:
>>>
>>> http://hackerspaces.org/images/8/8e/Hacker-Space-Design-Patterns.pdf
>>>
>>> start there.  cause it's obvious you guys violated like a solid 50% of
>>> the design patterns.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Florencia Edwards <floev22 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree but this is because the owner doesnt trust, in our culture and
>>>> country, volunteer work. Lots of us started for free and he was the one who
>>>> wanted us to be full time, and paid so he could demand more tasks and
>>>> comitment
>>>> El 16/03/2014 20:40, "matt" <matt at nycresistor.com> escribió:
>>>>
>>>> This is such a bizarre concept.  And frankly it's something you see
>>>>> more with co-working spaces or spaces so large they lack any identifiable
>>>>> community or culture.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I am all for a space paying for garbage pickup, and maybe even a
>>>>> made service.  I feel like you've done something essentially wrong in
>>>>> building your community if you need someone to be a paid gatekeeper.
>>>>>
>>>>> -matt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Florencia Edwards <floev22 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It means it is payment as gratiude but for the hours of work (8 hours
>>>>>> with scheduale) it doesn't get you by, they call them unethical wages
>>>>>> El 16/03/2014 20:14, "Danyelle Davis" <ddavis at codetemptress.net>
>>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What does symbolic wage mean?
>>>>>>>
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