[hackerspaces] Hackers, feminism, and bullying
ddavis at codetemptress.net
Sat Jan 19 03:42:58 CET 2013
here is my worthless few cents on the matter. I find it really funny that
for a group of people where some people get bullied that now some of us
have become the bully. *isms are everywhere and will continue to be
everywhere. Haters are going to hate. I have seen some sexism but I
usually brush it off as the person(s) is an idiot and I move on. (on both
sides of the sex/gender spectrum) I feel like this is harped on over and
over and over again. If someone bullies you call them out. I find it is
like the school playground all over again. The guy pulls your pigtails and
instead of running off you punch him in the chest and he will either
profess his love for you or limp away sulking.
There is a huge difference between holding your head high because you can
do/know your shit and acting like your shit don't stink. There are tons of
guys out there who want nothing more than to not have a
hackerspace/con/gathering of geekdom full of nothing but men. They love to
have a female perspective on something. Join with them and leave the boys
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Al Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> On Friday, January 18, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Kevin Mitnick wrote:
> How do you know that I am not female? Or not of a minority?
> Because you sign your name as "Kevin Mitnick." I go with that.
> Requesting civility and being coherent does not mean that I am trying to
> suggest that you do not speak at all. On the contrary, it's better to
> discuss the whole matter rather than focus on certain lines and cry afoul
> when the overall message hasn't been altered.
> On the contrary, it is exactly what you are suggesting but in the most
> passive aggressive way possible.
> If you were standing in my way, should I then tell you to "get out of the
> way" or be polite and say "excuse me"? Let's have a discussion, not a short
> series of words from a website.
> And then I could respond with, "I didn't like how you said 'get out of the
> way.' It was mean and hurt my feelings and I can't take it seriously
> because of how you said it. Let's talk about how you can say it better.'
> rather than just getting out of the way.
> That's what you and others here have been doing to most of the concerns
> raised by woman, in response to your own questions even.
> It is no wonder that many of the women on this thread have just thrown
> their hands in the air and given up on the thread. This same shit happens
> any time a woman tries to talk about the environment in hackerspaces
> possibly not being very friendly to them.
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