[hackerspaces] Hackers, feminism, and bullying

[Al Billings]

On Friday, January 18, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Kevin Mitnick wrote:

> How do you know that I am not female? Or not of a minority?
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 Because you sign your name as "Kevin Mitnick." I go with that. 
 
> Requesting civility and being coherent does not mean that I am trying to suggest that you do not speak at all. On the contrary, it's better to discuss the whole matter rather than focus on certain lines and cry afoul when the overall message hasn't been altered.
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On the contrary, it is exactly what you are suggesting but in the most passive aggressive way possible.
 
> If you were standing in my way, should I then tell you to "get out of the way" or be polite and say "excuse me"? Let's have a discussion, not a short series of words from a website.
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And then I could respond with, "I didn't like how you said 'get out of the way.' It was mean and hurt my feelings and I can't take it seriously because of how you said it. Let's talk about how you can say it better.' rather than just getting out of the way.

That's what you and others here have been doing to most of the concerns raised by woman, in response to your own questions even.

It is no wonder that many of the women on this thread have just thrown their hands in the air and given up on the thread. This same shit happens any time a woman tries to talk about the environment in hackerspaces possibly not being very friendly to them.

Al
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