[hackerspaces] Out with the "hackers"... In with the, "makers" and the "fixers"

[Mars brown]

Oh this DARPA stuff disturbs me on the deepest level.
Kind of like how hollywood apparently owns the internet... of course that
was DARPANET at one point...

*Has any HSpaces taken advantage of this?*
Seems like it totally reinforces the negative hacker connotation - but in a
sense that the government has now recruited one "evil" to combat another
like terrorism or some non-US country.  Talk about kill the global sense of
community.

Honestly - I'd protest and bail from *any organization or company or
initiative* (regardless of the benefits) that gets involved with making
things that kill other human critters.
It's not a big anti-military kind of opinion... so please don't take it
that way - but rather I want nothing to directly do with death and
destruction in any form for any cause.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Will Bradley <bradley.will at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'd like to see the hackerspace community steer clear of military stuff,
> personally. If we let ourselves be involved in helping our nations'
> militaries, it's only a matter of time before the members of one
> hackerspace are responsible for the death of a member in another
> hackerspace. I'd like to think we can transcend that and work towards
> helping people do good/useful things.
>
> </2cents>
> On Nov 29, 2011 3:45 PM, "Matt Joyce" <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
>
>> I think you would all be amazed just how much of the "hacker" community
>> is actually in some way related to the US federal government.  I mean, they
>> don't call it fedcon for nothing.
>>
>> Hacker has as much a negative connotation as a positive one.  I mean heck
>> they have Mudge doing DARPA outreach to "hackerspaces" specifically.
>>
>> There are some positive connotations to the term even today.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Mars brown <itcamefrommars at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I think of make magazine and instructables when I hear "makerspace"...
>>> as in it could be HSpace type of activity or anything else like
>>> woodworking, welding, muraling, macrame, as well as technogobbleDgoop.
>>>
>>> Personally - I'd be more interested in a makerspace if it encompassed
>>> such a general span of things...
>>> but for me it's not just the word.  I like to tinker, hack, build, make,
>>> design, etc in many mediums.
>>> I'd want a dedicated HSpace around too though.
>>>
>>> I think that the idea of a 'space that isn't ONLY tech is fantastic...
>>> but needs the tech part in it.
>>> I'd love to see and share skills, techniques, and ideas from many
>>> different avenues of creativity!
>>>
>>> We all have alot of skills we can share/teach/help each other -
>>> Perhaps some HSpaces should be a Hack|Make|space and call it a day.
>>>
>>> But if it's about keeping out non tech related people to not do a
>>> makerspace - well the pre desegregation days are calling.
>>> And if it's about being afraid of being singled out as a menace to
>>> society... then the McCarthy era calls...
>>> Poor Oppenheimer.
>>>
>>> Anyhow... not to bicker... but the two names ring slightly different
>>> versions of very similar creative/collaborative spaces to me... and I think
>>> both either together or separate is a no brainer fantastic idea!
>>>
>>> Hack on!  Make on!
>>> And have fun!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Goodman <meawoppl at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Makerspace hasn't even made threshold on Google trends<http://www.google.com/trends?q=hackerspace%2C+makerspace>yet.
>>>>
>>>> Sure language is important, but perhaps we can start a separate list
>>>> for people still interested in these semantics?
>>>>
>>>> In general I feel like it is an argument that results from not having
>>>> something more interesting going on. . .
>>>>
>>>> just me $0.02
>>>> --Matthew Goodman
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Psy Tek <psytek at alphaonelabs.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=hackerspace&word2=makerspace
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Al Jigen Billings <
>>>>> albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/28/11 9:37 PM, discuss-request at lists.**hackerspaces.org<discuss-request at lists.hackerspaces.org>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You miss the point entirely.  Makerspaces (aka, "hackerspaces") are
>>>>>>> good things with tremendous potential for educating people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By using the term "hacker" you drive people away without ever getting
>>>>>>> a chance at recruiting them.  All over a word.  Is that what you
>>>>>>> want?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, we're all doing fine. Thanks for your concern. We're quite
>>>>>> happy with how it is. Feel free to stop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What hackerspace are you actually a member of?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Al
>>>>>> http://www.acemonstertoys.org
>>>>>>
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