[hackerspaces] Out with the "hackers"... In with the, "makers" and the "fixers"

[Will Bradley]

I'd like to see the hackerspace community steer clear of military stuff,
personally. If we let ourselves be involved in helping our nations'
militaries, it's only a matter of time before the members of one
hackerspace are responsible for the death of a member in another
hackerspace. I'd like to think we can transcend that and work towards
helping people do good/useful things.

</2cents>
On Nov 29, 2011 3:45 PM, "Matt Joyce" <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:

> I think you would all be amazed just how much of the "hacker" community is
> actually in some way related to the US federal government.  I mean, they
> don't call it fedcon for nothing.
>
> Hacker has as much a negative connotation as a positive one.  I mean heck
> they have Mudge doing DARPA outreach to "hackerspaces" specifically.
>
> There are some positive connotations to the term even today.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Mars brown <itcamefrommars at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think of make magazine and instructables when I hear "makerspace"...
>> as in it could be HSpace type of activity or anything else like
>> woodworking, welding, muraling, macrame, as well as technogobbleDgoop.
>>
>> Personally - I'd be more interested in a makerspace if it encompassed
>> such a general span of things...
>> but for me it's not just the word.  I like to tinker, hack, build, make,
>> design, etc in many mediums.
>> I'd want a dedicated HSpace around too though.
>>
>> I think that the idea of a 'space that isn't ONLY tech is fantastic...
>> but needs the tech part in it.
>> I'd love to see and share skills, techniques, and ideas from many
>> different avenues of creativity!
>>
>> We all have alot of skills we can share/teach/help each other -
>> Perhaps some HSpaces should be a Hack|Make|space and call it a day.
>>
>> But if it's about keeping out non tech related people to not do a
>> makerspace - well the pre desegregation days are calling.
>> And if it's about being afraid of being singled out as a menace to
>> society... then the McCarthy era calls...
>> Poor Oppenheimer.
>>
>> Anyhow... not to bicker... but the two names ring slightly different
>> versions of very similar creative/collaborative spaces to me... and I think
>> both either together or separate is a no brainer fantastic idea!
>>
>> Hack on!  Make on!
>> And have fun!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Goodman <meawoppl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Makerspace hasn't even made threshold on Google trends<http://www.google.com/trends?q=hackerspace%2C+makerspace>yet.
>>>
>>> Sure language is important, but perhaps we can start a separate list for
>>> people still interested in these semantics?
>>>
>>> In general I feel like it is an argument that results from not having
>>> something more interesting going on. . .
>>>
>>> just me $0.02
>>> --Matthew Goodman
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>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Psy Tek <psytek at alphaonelabs.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=hackerspace&word2=makerspace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Al Jigen Billings <
>>>> albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/28/11 9:37 PM, discuss-request at lists.**hackerspaces.org<discuss-request at lists.hackerspaces.org>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You miss the point entirely.  Makerspaces (aka, "hackerspaces") are
>>>>>> good things with tremendous potential for educating people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By using the term "hacker" you drive people away without ever getting
>>>>>> a chance at recruiting them.  All over a word.  Is that what you want?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, we're all doing fine. Thanks for your concern. We're quite
>>>>> happy with how it is. Feel free to stop.
>>>>>
>>>>> What hackerspace are you actually a member of?
>>>>>
>>>>> Al
>>>>> http://www.acemonstertoys.org
>>>>>
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