Oh this DARPA stuff disturbs me on the deepest level.<br>Kind of like how hollywood apparently owns the internet... of course that was DARPANET at one point... <br><br><b><i>Has any HSpaces taken advantage of this?</i></b><br>
Seems like it totally reinforces the negative hacker connotation - but in a sense that the government has now recruited one "evil" to combat another like terrorism or some non-US country. Talk about kill the global sense of community.<br>
<br>Honestly - I'd protest and bail from <b><i>any organization or company or initiative</i></b> (regardless of the benefits) that gets involved with making things that kill other human critters.<br>It's not a big anti-military kind of opinion... so please don't take it that way - but rather I want nothing to directly do with death and destruction in any form for any cause.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Will Bradley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bradley.will@gmail.com">bradley.will@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<p>I'd like to see the hackerspace community steer clear of military stuff, personally. If we let ourselves be involved in helping our nations' militaries, it's only a matter of time before the members of one hackerspace are responsible for the death of a member in another hackerspace. I'd like to think we can transcend that and work towards helping people do good/useful things.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 29, 2011 3:45 PM, "Matt Joyce" <<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I think you would all be amazed just how much of the "hacker" community is actually in some way related to the US federal government. I mean, they don't call it fedcon for nothing.<br><br>Hacker has as much a negative connotation as a positive one. I mean heck they have Mudge doing DARPA outreach to "hackerspaces" specifically. <br>
<br>There are some positive connotations to the term even today.<br><br>-Matt<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Mars brown <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:itcamefrommars@gmail.com" target="_blank">itcamefrommars@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think of make magazine and instructables when I hear "makerspace"... <br>as in it could be HSpace type of activity or anything else like woodworking, welding, muraling, macrame, as well as technogobbleDgoop.<br>
<br>Personally - I'd be more interested in a makerspace if it encompassed such a general span of things... <br>but for me it's not just the word. I like to tinker, hack, build, make, design, etc in many mediums.<br>
I'd want a dedicated HSpace around too though.<br><br>I think that the idea of a 'space that isn't ONLY tech is fantastic... but needs the tech part in it.<br>I'd love to see and share skills, techniques, and ideas from many different avenues of creativity!<br>
<br>We all have alot of skills we can share/teach/help each other - <br>Perhaps some HSpaces should be a Hack|Make|space and call it a day.<br><br>But if it's about keeping out non tech related people to not do a makerspace - well the pre desegregation days are calling.<br>
And if it's about being afraid of being singled out as a menace to society... then the McCarthy era calls...<br>Poor Oppenheimer.<br><br>Anyhow... not to bicker... but the two names ring slightly different versions of very similar creative/collaborative spaces to me... and I think both either together or separate is a no brainer fantastic idea! <br>
<br>Hack on! Make on! <br>And have fun!<div><div></div><div><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Goodman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:meawoppl@gmail.com" target="_blank">meawoppl@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Makerspace hasn't even made threshold on <a href="http://www.google.com/trends?q=hackerspace%2C+makerspace" target="_blank">Google trends</a> yet. <div>
<br></div><div>Sure language is important, but perhaps we can start a separate list for people still interested in these semantics?<div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Psy Tek <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:psytek@alphaonelabs.com" target="_blank">psytek@alphaonelabs.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<a href="http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=hackerspace&word2=makerspace" target="_blank">http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=hackerspace&word2=makerspace</a><div>
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On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Al Jigen Billings <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com" target="_blank">albill@openbuddha.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 11/28/11 9:37 PM, <a href="mailto:discuss-request@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">discuss-request@lists.<u></u>hackerspaces.org</a> wrote:<br>
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You miss the point entirely. Makerspaces (aka, "hackerspaces") are<br>
good things with tremendous potential for educating people.<br>
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By using the term "hacker" you drive people away without ever getting<br>
a chance at recruiting them. All over a word. Is that what you want?<br>
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Actually, we're all doing fine. Thanks for your concern. We're quite happy with how it is. Feel free to stop.<br>
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What hackerspace are you actually a member of?<br>
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