[hackerspaces] Fwd: [austin-hacker-space] Speaking at Defcon

Sun May 9 23:57:02 CEST 2010

As I said... I don't disagree with the thrust... I disagree with the
execution.  But adding to my prior post... if someone from a hackerspace
does do a talk... or knows someone doing a talk have them mention the
hardware hacking  village and that there are a bunch of folks from
hackerspaces there doing stuff.

I mean... just saying... "HEY WE HAVE A WORKSHOP ISN'T THAT AWESOME" isn't
really enough.  You need to say... CHECK OUT THIS AWESOME THING WE DID!  Oh
You want to be a part of that!?!  Here's how....

Thoughts?

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Jens Christian Hillerup
<jens at hillerup.net>wrote:

> Speaking as a DEFCON newbie until last year I found the talk on
> hackerspaces very interesting, and thus I support submitting another one.
> Yes, it will be repetitive and redundant, and everything we say has been
> said before -- but isn't that what we're after? I mean, people going to
> attend the talk (no matter how few or many) will have an honest desire to
> know whatever we/you/they are going to talk about.
>
> As I see it, Matt, you are saying it is irrelevant to teach people about
> something they want to know, which sounds very unhackerish to me.
>
> -jc
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Matthew McCabe <matt at mrmccabe.com> wrote:
>
>> Lol, sounds as good as any other suggestion I have heard ;)
>>
>> Thinking about it for a bit, here is my goal for Defcon: Have some
>> kind of forum for people to learn more about hackerspaces, discuss
>> some of the current issues/problems, new projects, etc.  Also, give
>> n00bs a chance to learn more about hackerspaces and how to start them.
>>
>> Perhaps a talk isn't the right way to do this?  Maybe have a more
>> informal meet-up or room for this?  I know that one year some
>> hackerspace peps setup a room at Defcon...though I am not sure how
>> that went.
>>
>> My concern is that I have not heard of anything hackerspace related
>> going down at Defcon.  Seriously folks, this is cool shit, lets get
>> the word out to some new recruits!
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Paul Bohm <paul at boehm.org> wrote:
>> > Hackerspaces Mudwrestling!
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Matthew McCabe <matt at mrmccabe.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> So what exactly do you propose, Matt?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Matt
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> Most conferences have begged no one to submit a hackerspaces how to
>> talk.
>> >>>
>> >>> There's a reason for this.  It's repetitive.  No conference wants the
>> same
>> >>> talk given as it was given elsewhere.
>> >>>
>> >>> That's the whole point of conferences... to see what "NEW" stuff
>> people are
>> >>> working on.  In fact if you check most request for proposal pages they
>> >>> specifically ask people not to submit talks that have been given
>> elsewhere.
>> >>>
>> >>> From DEFCON 18 RFP:
>> >>>
>> >>> "We are looking for and give preference to: unique research, new tool
>> >>> releases, Ø-day attacks (with responsible disclosure), highly
>> technical
>> >>> material, social commentaries, and ground breaking material of any
>> kind.
>> >>> Want to screen a new hacking documentary or release research? Consider
>> DEF
>> >>> CON."
>> >>>
>> >>> What I am saying is... the "this is how you start a hackerspace!"
>> >>> presentation has been given before.  Design Patterns, Hope, Notacon...
>> and a
>> >>> bunch of other conferences... probably defcon too ( too drunk to
>> remember
>> >>> much of that con ).
>> >>>
>> >>> It's not unique, and it's not groundbreaking.  If you want to spread
>> the
>> >>> word about hackerspaces do something UNIQUE and GROUNDBREAKING.  Get
>> people
>> >>> to say "hey what's a hackerspace!?"  then they will see the large
>> amount of
>> >>> material already on the internet concerning them... including the
>> plethora
>> >>> of fine presentations on how to start one up.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am not saying I am opposed to the thrust of your goal... just the
>> >>> execution.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>>    Matt
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Matthew McCabe <matt at mrmccabe.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the interest of beating this dead horse a bit less, I will keep
>> this
>> >>>> short ;)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Matt - hackerspaces are a new thing to 99% of the population...lets
>> >>>> educate them!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think it is important to have a hackerspace talk ever year at
>> Defcon
>> >>>> to educate newbies on what a hackerspace is, how to start one,
>> >>>> problems, solutions, etc.  I would have loved to hear something like
>> >>>> this when I was thinking about starting a space rather than walking
>> >>>> into it more-or-less blindly.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Again, I propose a 15-20 minute talk about how one hackerspace, AHS,
>> >>>> started as an example of the good, bad, and ugly of starting a space.
>> >>>> Then open up the floor to questions from people on problems they are
>> >>>> experiencing starting a space, where to get more info, general
>> >>>> hackerspace issues that have come up in the last year, etc.  That is
>> >>>> where you all come in - I would like to get a few more experienced
>> >>>> founders/members on the panel so that we can give good answers to
>> some
>> >>>> of the more difficult or controversial questions/problems.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Matt
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> > This talk has been done to death.  I suggest finding a more
>> original
>> >>>> > topic.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On May 9, 2010 12:05 PM, "Bryan Bishop" <kanzure at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>>> > From: Matthew McCabe <matt at mrmccabe.com>
>> >>>> > Date: Sun, May 9, 2010 at 10:58 AM
>> >>>> > Subject: [austin-hacker-space] Speaking at Defcon
>> >>>> > To: austin-hacker-space at googlegroups.com
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I am going to submit a proposal for a talk at Defcon on starting a
>> >>>> > hackerspace.  Specifically, I would like to give a short
>> presentation
>> >>>> > (15-20 minutes) on how we built the Austin Hackerspace and then
>> leave
>> >>>> > the remainder of the hour (50 minutes actually) open for questions
>> to
>> >>>> > the panel.  The panel will hopefully consist of a couple members of
>> >>>> > AHS as well as members from other hackerspaces around the world.
>>  That
>> >>>> > way, we will have the combined expertise to answer any "how-to"
>> >>>> > questions from the audience.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > If you are interested in participating, please e-mail me your bio:
>> >>>> > "This text will be used for the website and printed materials.
>> Cover
>> >>>> > any professional history that is relevant to the presentation,
>> >>>> > including past jobs, tools that you have written, etc. Let people
>> know
>> >>>> > who you are and why you are qualified to speak on your topic.
>> >>>> > Presentations that are submitted without biographies will not be
>> >>>> > considered."
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Also, please tell me how you plan to contribute to the panel.  You
>> >>>> > must be willing to field questions from the audience if you are
>> going
>> >>>> > to sit on the panel.  Also, you need to be 100% certain that you
>> are
>> >>>> > going to be in Vegas July 30th - August 1st.  The talk may be
>> >>>> > scheduled on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday so you need to be
>> available
>> >>>> > all three days to speak.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > The deadline is June 1st - all of the details are here:
>> >>>> > http://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-18/dc-18-cfp-form.html
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Thanks,
>> >>>> > Matt
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > --
>> >>>> > - Bryan
>> >>>> > http://heybryan.org/
>> >>>> > 1 512 203 0507
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