As I said... I don't disagree with the thrust... I disagree with the execution. But adding to my prior post... if someone from a hackerspace does do a talk... or knows someone doing a talk have them mention the hardware hacking village and that there are a bunch of folks from hackerspaces there doing stuff.<br>
<br>I mean... just saying... "HEY WE HAVE A WORKSHOP ISN'T THAT AWESOME" isn't really enough. You need to say... CHECK OUT THIS AWESOME THING WE DID! Oh You want to be a part of that!?! Here's how....<br>
<br>Thoughts?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Jens Christian Hillerup <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jens@hillerup.net">jens@hillerup.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Speaking as a DEFCON newbie until last year I found the talk on hackerspaces very interesting, and thus I support submitting another one. Yes, it will be repetitive and redundant, and everything we say has been said before -- but isn't that what we're after? I mean, people going to attend the talk (no matter how few or many) will have an honest desire to know whatever we/you/they are going to talk about.<br>
<br>As I see it, Matt, you are saying it is irrelevant to teach people about something they want to know, which sounds very unhackerish to me.<br><font color="#888888"><br>-jc</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Matthew McCabe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@mrmccabe.com" target="_blank">matt@mrmccabe.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Lol, sounds as good as any other suggestion I have heard ;)<br>
<br>
Thinking about it for a bit, here is my goal for Defcon: Have some<br>
kind of forum for people to learn more about hackerspaces, discuss<br>
some of the current issues/problems, new projects, etc. Also, give<br>
n00bs a chance to learn more about hackerspaces and how to start them.<br>
<br>
Perhaps a talk isn't the right way to do this? Maybe have a more<br>
informal meet-up or room for this? I know that one year some<br>
hackerspace peps setup a room at Defcon...though I am not sure how<br>
that went.<br>
<br>
My concern is that I have not heard of anything hackerspace related<br>
going down at Defcon. Seriously folks, this is cool shit, lets get<br>
the word out to some new recruits!<br>
<br>
-Matt<br>
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On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Paul Bohm <<a href="mailto:paul@boehm.org" target="_blank">paul@boehm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hackerspaces Mudwrestling!<br>
><br>
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Matthew McCabe <<a href="mailto:matt@mrmccabe.com" target="_blank">matt@mrmccabe.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> So what exactly do you propose, Matt?<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Matt<br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Matt Joyce <<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> Most conferences have begged no one to submit a hackerspaces how to talk.<br>
>>><br>
>>> There's a reason for this. It's repetitive. No conference wants the same<br>
>>> talk given as it was given elsewhere.<br>
>>><br>
>>> That's the whole point of conferences... to see what "NEW" stuff people are<br>
>>> working on. In fact if you check most request for proposal pages they<br>
>>> specifically ask people not to submit talks that have been given elsewhere.<br>
>>><br>
>>> From DEFCON 18 RFP:<br>
>>><br>
>>> "We are looking for and give preference to: unique research, new tool<br>
>>> releases, Ř-day attacks (with responsible disclosure), highly technical<br>
>>> material, social commentaries, and ground breaking material of any kind.<br>
>>> Want to screen a new hacking documentary or release research? Consider DEF<br>
>>> CON."<br>
>>><br>
>>> What I am saying is... the "this is how you start a hackerspace!"<br>
>>> presentation has been given before. Design Patterns, Hope, Notacon... and a<br>
>>> bunch of other conferences... probably defcon too ( too drunk to remember<br>
>>> much of that con ).<br>
>>><br>
>>> It's not unique, and it's not groundbreaking. If you want to spread the<br>
>>> word about hackerspaces do something UNIQUE and GROUNDBREAKING. Get people<br>
>>> to say "hey what's a hackerspace!?" then they will see the large amount of<br>
>>> material already on the internet concerning them... including the plethora<br>
>>> of fine presentations on how to start one up.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I am not saying I am opposed to the thrust of your goal... just the<br>
>>> execution.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Matt<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Matthew McCabe <<a href="mailto:matt@mrmccabe.com" target="_blank">matt@mrmccabe.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> In the interest of beating this dead horse a bit less, I will keep this<br>
>>>> short ;)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Matt - hackerspaces are a new thing to 99% of the population...lets<br>
>>>> educate them!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I think it is important to have a hackerspace talk ever year at Defcon<br>
>>>> to educate newbies on what a hackerspace is, how to start one,<br>
>>>> problems, solutions, etc. I would have loved to hear something like<br>
>>>> this when I was thinking about starting a space rather than walking<br>
>>>> into it more-or-less blindly.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Again, I propose a 15-20 minute talk about how one hackerspace, AHS,<br>
>>>> started as an example of the good, bad, and ugly of starting a space.<br>
>>>> Then open up the floor to questions from people on problems they are<br>
>>>> experiencing starting a space, where to get more info, general<br>
>>>> hackerspace issues that have come up in the last year, etc. That is<br>
>>>> where you all come in - I would like to get a few more experienced<br>
>>>> founders/members on the panel so that we can give good answers to some<br>
>>>> of the more difficult or controversial questions/problems.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>> Matt<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Matt Joyce <<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> > This talk has been done to death. I suggest finding a more original<br>
>>>> > topic.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > On May 9, 2010 12:05 PM, "Bryan Bishop" <<a href="mailto:kanzure@gmail.com" target="_blank">kanzure@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>>>> > From: Matthew McCabe <<a href="mailto:matt@mrmccabe.com" target="_blank">matt@mrmccabe.com</a>><br>
>>>> > Date: Sun, May 9, 2010 at 10:58 AM<br>
>>>> > Subject: [austin-hacker-space] Speaking at Defcon<br>
>>>> > To: <a href="mailto:austin-hacker-space@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">austin-hacker-space@googlegroups.com</a><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > I am going to submit a proposal for a talk at Defcon on starting a<br>
>>>> > hackerspace. Specifically, I would like to give a short presentation<br>
>>>> > (15-20 minutes) on how we built the Austin Hackerspace and then leave<br>
>>>> > the remainder of the hour (50 minutes actually) open for questions to<br>
>>>> > the panel. The panel will hopefully consist of a couple members of<br>
>>>> > AHS as well as members from other hackerspaces around the world. That<br>
>>>> > way, we will have the combined expertise to answer any "how-to"<br>
>>>> > questions from the audience.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > If you are interested in participating, please e-mail me your bio:<br>
>>>> > "This text will be used for the website and printed materials. Cover<br>
>>>> > any professional history that is relevant to the presentation,<br>
>>>> > including past jobs, tools that you have written, etc. Let people know<br>
>>>> > who you are and why you are qualified to speak on your topic.<br>
>>>> > Presentations that are submitted without biographies will not be<br>
>>>> > considered."<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Also, please tell me how you plan to contribute to the panel. You<br>
>>>> > must be willing to field questions from the audience if you are going<br>
>>>> > to sit on the panel. Also, you need to be 100% certain that you are<br>
>>>> > going to be in Vegas July 30th - August 1st. The talk may be<br>
>>>> > scheduled on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday so you need to be available<br>
>>>> > all three days to speak.<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > The deadline is June 1st - all of the details are here:<br>
>>>> > <a href="http://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-18/dc-18-cfp-form.html" target="_blank">http://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-18/dc-18-cfp-form.html</a><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > Thanks,<br>
>>>> > Matt<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> > --<br>
>>>> > - Bryan<br>
>>>> > <a href="http://heybryan.org/" target="_blank">http://heybryan.org/</a><br>
>>>> > 1 512 203 0507<br>
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