[hackerspaces] Fwd: [austin-hacker-space] Speaking at Defcon

Sun May 9 23:53:36 CEST 2010

Speaking as a DEFCON newbie until last year I found the talk on hackerspaces
very interesting, and thus I support submitting another one. Yes, it will be
repetitive and redundant, and everything we say has been said before -- but
isn't that what we're after? I mean, people going to attend the talk (no
matter how few or many) will have an honest desire to know whatever
we/you/they are going to talk about.

As I see it, Matt, you are saying it is irrelevant to teach people about
something they want to know, which sounds very unhackerish to me.

-jc

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Matthew McCabe <matt at mrmccabe.com> wrote:

> Lol, sounds as good as any other suggestion I have heard ;)
>
> Thinking about it for a bit, here is my goal for Defcon: Have some
> kind of forum for people to learn more about hackerspaces, discuss
> some of the current issues/problems, new projects, etc.  Also, give
> n00bs a chance to learn more about hackerspaces and how to start them.
>
> Perhaps a talk isn't the right way to do this?  Maybe have a more
> informal meet-up or room for this?  I know that one year some
> hackerspace peps setup a room at Defcon...though I am not sure how
> that went.
>
> My concern is that I have not heard of anything hackerspace related
> going down at Defcon.  Seriously folks, this is cool shit, lets get
> the word out to some new recruits!
>
> -Matt
>
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Paul Bohm <paul at boehm.org> wrote:
> > Hackerspaces Mudwrestling!
> >
> > On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Matthew McCabe <matt at mrmccabe.com>
> wrote:
> >> So what exactly do you propose, Matt?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Matt
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com>
> wrote:
> >>> Most conferences have begged no one to submit a hackerspaces how to
> talk.
> >>>
> >>> There's a reason for this.  It's repetitive.  No conference wants the
> same
> >>> talk given as it was given elsewhere.
> >>>
> >>> That's the whole point of conferences... to see what "NEW" stuff people
> are
> >>> working on.  In fact if you check most request for proposal pages they
> >>> specifically ask people not to submit talks that have been given
> elsewhere.
> >>>
> >>> From DEFCON 18 RFP:
> >>>
> >>> "We are looking for and give preference to: unique research, new tool
> >>> releases, Ø-day attacks (with responsible disclosure), highly technical
> >>> material, social commentaries, and ground breaking material of any
> kind.
> >>> Want to screen a new hacking documentary or release research? Consider
> DEF
> >>> CON."
> >>>
> >>> What I am saying is... the "this is how you start a hackerspace!"
> >>> presentation has been given before.  Design Patterns, Hope, Notacon...
> and a
> >>> bunch of other conferences... probably defcon too ( too drunk to
> remember
> >>> much of that con ).
> >>>
> >>> It's not unique, and it's not groundbreaking.  If you want to spread
> the
> >>> word about hackerspaces do something UNIQUE and GROUNDBREAKING.  Get
> people
> >>> to say "hey what's a hackerspace!?"  then they will see the large
> amount of
> >>> material already on the internet concerning them... including the
> plethora
> >>> of fine presentations on how to start one up.
> >>>
> >>> I am not saying I am opposed to the thrust of your goal... just the
> >>> execution.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>>    Matt
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Matthew McCabe <matt at mrmccabe.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> In the interest of beating this dead horse a bit less, I will keep
> this
> >>>> short ;)
> >>>>
> >>>> Matt - hackerspaces are a new thing to 99% of the population...lets
> >>>> educate them!
> >>>>
> >>>> I think it is important to have a hackerspace talk ever year at Defcon
> >>>> to educate newbies on what a hackerspace is, how to start one,
> >>>> problems, solutions, etc.  I would have loved to hear something like
> >>>> this when I was thinking about starting a space rather than walking
> >>>> into it more-or-less blindly.
> >>>>
> >>>> Again, I propose a 15-20 minute talk about how one hackerspace, AHS,
> >>>> started as an example of the good, bad, and ugly of starting a space.
> >>>> Then open up the floor to questions from people on problems they are
> >>>> experiencing starting a space, where to get more info, general
> >>>> hackerspace issues that have come up in the last year, etc.  That is
> >>>> where you all come in - I would like to get a few more experienced
> >>>> founders/members on the panel so that we can give good answers to some
> >>>> of the more difficult or controversial questions/problems.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Matt
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> > This talk has been done to death.  I suggest finding a more original
> >>>> > topic.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On May 9, 2010 12:05 PM, "Bryan Bishop" <kanzure at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>> > From: Matthew McCabe <matt at mrmccabe.com>
> >>>> > Date: Sun, May 9, 2010 at 10:58 AM
> >>>> > Subject: [austin-hacker-space] Speaking at Defcon
> >>>> > To: austin-hacker-space at googlegroups.com
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I am going to submit a proposal for a talk at Defcon on starting a
> >>>> > hackerspace.  Specifically, I would like to give a short
> presentation
> >>>> > (15-20 minutes) on how we built the Austin Hackerspace and then
> leave
> >>>> > the remainder of the hour (50 minutes actually) open for questions
> to
> >>>> > the panel.  The panel will hopefully consist of a couple members of
> >>>> > AHS as well as members from other hackerspaces around the world.
>  That
> >>>> > way, we will have the combined expertise to answer any "how-to"
> >>>> > questions from the audience.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > If you are interested in participating, please e-mail me your bio:
> >>>> > "This text will be used for the website and printed materials. Cover
> >>>> > any professional history that is relevant to the presentation,
> >>>> > including past jobs, tools that you have written, etc. Let people
> know
> >>>> > who you are and why you are qualified to speak on your topic.
> >>>> > Presentations that are submitted without biographies will not be
> >>>> > considered."
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Also, please tell me how you plan to contribute to the panel.  You
> >>>> > must be willing to field questions from the audience if you are
> going
> >>>> > to sit on the panel.  Also, you need to be 100% certain that you are
> >>>> > going to be in Vegas July 30th - August 1st.  The talk may be
> >>>> > scheduled on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday so you need to be available
> >>>> > all three days to speak.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > The deadline is June 1st - all of the details are here:
> >>>> > http://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-18/dc-18-cfp-form.html
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thanks,
> >>>> > Matt
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > --
> >>>> > - Bryan
> >>>> > http://heybryan.org/
> >>>> > 1 512 203 0507
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