[hackerspaces] Thread to move: Hacking the Spaces

Matt Joyce mdjoyce at gmail.com
Thu May 14 02:34:59 CEST 2009

Well we have a discussion list.  But we also need a childish bullshit list
to file some of the recent emails into.  Many of us don't really want to
continue to have this crap show up in our inboxes.

I recommended we simply moderate the channel.  But some folks feel that this
aforementioned childish bullshit is somehow a benefit and should be allowed
a place to reside.


On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM, jaromil <jaromil at dyne.org> wrote:

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> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 02:04:34PM +0200, webmind wrote:
> > Sorry,  but this  is a  discussion list,  if this  place is  not for
> > discussing the history, future and theory on hackerspaces. Then what
> > is it for?
> "Escapism" - a word  that makes me always laugh when i  think of it: I
> can't stop imagining  a room full of monkeys  on keyboards frantically
> hitting the ESC key on their deck. The Escapism syndrome. :)
> i agree  with Webmind  it doesn't really  makes sense to  open another
> list. worst then ever, calling  it a "theory list" would fundamentally
> contradict one of the novelties  of the "hacker approach": refusing to
> separate theory and practice, expressing  one through the other, a 360
> degrees mindset which we should take care of.
> lets look  at each other  honestly: we don't  need a new list  to make
> this discussion space more readable  (there are filters for that), the
> only reason we'd want to make  a new list is to shift current childish
> behaviour  to another  space. The  long  term drawback  will be  that,
> whenever someone will dare to "speak theory" here or there or anywhere
> else,  will be  sent in  the theory  corner, which  i find  real scary
> considering that a mere theory-less executor is just a Robot.
> i'm also surprised that people on  this list fall on top of each other
> so fast: every hacker has  been through lots of online discussions, we
> should  have  grown a  thick  skin by  now...  so  please people  keep
> patient, use sense of humour and don't take yourself too seriously.
> as a  last consideration  on the  dynamic of this  list: we  are still
> acting  as  if  someone would  be  hosting  us  here, so  while  being
> overwhelmed  by a somehow  hotter dialectic  process, the  hosts might
> feel  worried about  keeping the  sheeps in  the yard,  take decisions
> impromptu and  dismantle a dialectic process. this  dynamic worries me
> about the validity of this  discussion space: a "peer 2 peer approach"
> to  untie the  knots in  general  would be  a much  better pattern  to
> follow, if you know what i mean....
> ciao
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