[hackerspaces-theory] ping

Dr. Glass DPM glass.dpm at gmail.com
Sun Dec 9 00:54:51 CET 2012

Our intention with pursuing this was for establishing credibility for the Hacker/maker movement, with the traditional academic world, no?  I don't feel that the traditional academic arena's are 100% flawed beyond hope.

Good scientific exploration and application is already being done everyday by x-spaces around the world.  Why not organize a publication effort for a standalone science journal?

Nicholas Giovinco
Dr. Glass DPM - Video Podcast
glass.dpm at gmail.com

On 8Dec, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Jo Walsh <metazool at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bollocks. There's no such thing as real science. There's only natural history. 
> For reference management worth looking at openbiblio.net and other projects of the Open Bibliography group of the Open Knowledge Management. For a modern perspective on academic data sharing. Journals are 18th century technology run by a cartel, and plugging into that system ain't going to help it.
> quemener.yves at free.fr wrote:
> > From: "maxigas" <maxigas at anargeek.net>
> i think for most hackers/hackerspace participants it is too much
> hassle to engage with formal science, which is deemed simply too slow
> and top-down.  you know the joke that "real programmers don't write
> documentation".  i would be happy if more of the cool stuff which
> people make in hackerspaces would be at least documented. :)
> Well, I am of the opinion, like many open source developers and people
> I met in hackerspaces, that a project is useless, unless it can be
> easily reproduced in another place. That usually means to have a 
> correct documentation. 
> One of the first question, when a cool video is posted, is : where is
> the source code
>  ? What
> chip/engine/batteries/display are you using? How
> did you wire that thing? The open source/hacker community do not have
> clear commitees to accept a project as interesting, but some emergent
> criterions appeared, and the ability to make the same thing at your 
> place is a crucial one.
> De: "maxigas" <maxigas at anargeek.net>
> when i wrote my first proposal for my phd, several people commented
> that what hackerspaces do is not "science", so i can't interpret it
> as a science going against some basic tenets of mainstream science.
> :)
> Well it is true : what hackerspaces do is not science, and the tenets
> opposed by "mainstream science" are actually very good. Typically,
> hacking projects are just fun things you want to do. That is ok, you
> don't HAVE to do science. But _some_ projects do f
>  ollow
> the basic 
> steps of science research : 
> - find existing projects that come close to what you need
> - try several solution, examine them objectively
> - choose a final solution, make some tests
> - propose new projects that can be based on yours.
> Thing is, today, you get hackers cred by making a cool video, a funny
> articles and by putting some basic technical informations. Most people
> see a bibliography and description of the state of the art as boring 
> parts that few people would read if you put it first (and they are right)
> If there was an incentive to use such a format however, I think that 
> several projects could document their work as a scientific article and
> be recognized as real science. 
> And all projects documentation do not suck, a lot of the things on 
> Instructables are actually very detailled. I think that the main thing
> missing is a references list, and the typical structure of a scie
>  nce 
> article.
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