<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Our intention with pursuing this was for establishing credibility for the Hacker/maker movement, with the traditional academic world, no? I don't feel that the traditional academic arena's are 100% flawed beyond hope.<div><br></div><div>Good scientific exploration and application is already being done everyday by x-spaces around the world. Why not organize a publication effort for a standalone science journal?<br><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On 8Dec, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Jo Walsh <<a href="mailto:metazool@gmail.com">metazool@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Bollocks. There's no such thing as real science. There's only natural history. <br>
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For reference management worth looking at <a href="http://openbiblio.net/">openbiblio.net</a> and other projects of the Open Bibliography group of the Open Knowledge Management. For a modern perspective on academic data sharing. Journals are 18th century technology run by a cartel, and plugging into that system ain't going to help it.<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><a href="mailto:quemener.yves@free.fr">quemener.yves@free.fr</a> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap:break-word; font-family: sans-serif; margin-top: 0px">> From: "maxigas" <<a href="mailto:maxigas@anargeek.net">maxigas@anargeek.net</a>><br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">i think for most hackers/hackerspace participants it is too much<br>hassle to engage with formal science, which is deemed simply too slow<br>and top-down. you know the joke that "real programmers don't write<br>documentation". i would be happy if more of the cool stuff which<br>people make in hackerspaces would be at least documented. :)</blockquote><br>Well, I am of the opinion, like many open source developers and people<br>I met in hackerspaces, that a project is useless, unless it can be<br>easily reproduced in another place. That usually means to have a <br>correct documentation. <br><br>One of the first question, when a cool video is posted, is : where is<br>the source code
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chip/engine/batteries/display are you using? How<br>did you wire that thing? The open source/hacker community do not have<br>clear commitees to accept a project as interesting, but some emergent<br>criterions appeared, and the ability to make the same thing at your <br>place is a crucial one.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">De: "maxigas" <<a href="mailto:maxigas@anargeek.net">maxigas@anargeek.net</a>><br>when i wrote my first proposal for my phd, several people commented<br>that what hackerspaces do is not "science", so i can't interpret it<br>as a science going against some basic tenets of mainstream science.<br>:)</blockquote><br>Well it is true : what hackerspaces do is not science, and the tenets<br>opposed by "mainstream science" are actually very good. Typically,<br>hacking projects are just fun things you want to do. That is ok, you<br>don't HAVE to do science. But _some_ projects do f
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the basic <br>steps of science research : <br>- find existing projects that come close to what you need<br>- try several solution, examine them objectively<br>- choose a final solution, make some tests<br>- propose new projects that can be based on yours.<br><br>Thing is, today, you get hackers cred by making a cool video, a funny<br>articles and by putting some basic technical informations. Most people<br>see a bibliography and description of the state of the art as boring <br>parts that few people would read if you put it first (and they are right)<br>If there was an incentive to use such a format however, I think that <br>several projects could document their work as a scientific article and<br>be recognized as real science. <br><br>And all projects documentation do not suck, a lot of the things on <br>Instructables are actually very detailled. I think that the main thing<br>missing is a references list, and the typical structure of a scie
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