[sudoroom] [sudo-discuss] A thought for a collaborative hacking enterprise: drone net

Tue Jan 8 20:11:47 CET 2013

Sorry if this was explained already, but what are the legal constraints on
operating unmanned aerial vehicles within city limits? Or is this just a
"toy" and therefore not yet illegalized? If it became common, the long-term
business model is far from certain.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Aaron Juchau <aaronjuchau at gmail.com> wrote:

> So this just came to my attention.  http://tacocopter.com/
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Ryan Bethencourt <
> ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd be interested :}. One idea I really like is the idea of having a
>> solar powered blimp so with minimal energy and build costs we could have a
>> persistent drone in the air
>>  On Jan 4, 2013 10:25 PM, "Andrew" <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We discussed this a bit at sudo room tonight. I think the major problem
>>> that we should solve is how to keep the drones in the air. Jae and I were
>>> talking about creating charging stations for quadcopters. I think that if
>>> we solved this issue the rest will fall in to place. The charging stations
>>> could just be contact plates that the drones could locate and dock with.
>>>
>>> Anyone interested in working on a project like that?
>>>
>>> --Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> It would be really useful to have an open source gunfire locator
>>>> system, similar to the ShotSpotter system Oakland is currently paying lots
>>>> of bucks for:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/us/shots-heard-pinpointed-and-argued-over.html
>>>>
>>>> ShotSpotter is using microphones across the city to instantaneously
>>>> locate where in the city a gunshot came from. Microphones on aerial drones
>>>> would pose much less of a privacy issue - they only have to be sensitive
>>>> enough that any gunshot is picked up by at least three drones - and you
>>>> could send a camera to the site of any gunshot within minutes.
>>>>
>>>> Patrik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Ryan Bethencourt <
>>>> ryan.bethencourt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I love the idea of drones, how about a drone surveillance network for
>>>>> downtown Oakland? It could be a safety thing with criss crossing coverage
>>>>> of a fairly small radius and maybe payed for by local companies, businesses
>>>>> and residents? No payload but you could potentially see charging a monthly
>>>>> fee for a panic button on a mobile phone that would launch a drone to your
>>>>> co-ordinates to observe, record and interact in a potentially dangerous
>>>>> situation or an ongoing crime which could be streamed out to the web or
>>>>> emergency responders? It might actually have an effect on crime,
>>>>> particularly if an operator could boom out from the drone in response to a
>>>>> robbery or something like that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Very 1984 but it could be useful in increasing local safety and might
>>>>> have a sustainable business model!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Jehan Tremback <
>>>>> jehan.tremback at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We should try to come up with convenient labels that contain both a
>>>>>> qr code and a sufficient amount of magnetic metal to be used as a secure
>>>>>> carrying attachment point. These could then be attached to plastic bags.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Jehan Tremback <
>>>>>> jehan.tremback at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately there is probably some liability to a building owner
>>>>>>> whose roof is being used a charging and relay point for the drones. They
>>>>>>> would probably need some sort of license or card for their property to be
>>>>>>> used as a transfer point for the product.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The solution to this is to separate charging and relay stations.
>>>>>>> Drones pass product off on another convenient rooftop near the charging
>>>>>>> station. They then charge at the actual station, holding no merchandise at
>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Jae Kwon <jkwon.work at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> gears, frames, rotors, yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Aaron Juchau <aaronjuchau at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could the 3D printer print workable rotors, frames, gears, etc?
>>>>>>>> Sudocopter?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Jae Kwon <jkwon.work at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While noting that all emails get saved somewhere in a bunker for
>>>>>>>>> use against us, I want to mention that light, valuable pharmaceutical
>>>>>>>>> delivered by drones in the bay area sound interesting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2013, at 8:05 PM, Jehan Tremback <
>>>>>>>>> jehan.tremback at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ah pharmaceuticals... that's ideal. The challenge is to find other
>>>>>>>>> light, valuable things. Small electronic parts for example.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Anthony Di Franco <
>>>>>>>>> di.franco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if anyone has publicly looked at that
>>>>>>>>>> comprehensively, but about a year ago a startup called matternet was
>>>>>>>>>> assuming about a kilogram of payload, about 30 minuted of flight time at
>>>>>>>>>> some I guess lowish speed and looking at transporting pharmaceuticals in
>>>>>>>>>> places without roads such as interior Africa: low weight, high value,
>>>>>>>>>> timeliness matters a lot. That would seem to be about the ballpark in which
>>>>>>>>>> one would be playing.
>>>>>>>>>> Imagine.
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 3, 2013 2:07 PM, "Jehan Tremback" <
>>>>>>>>>> jehan.tremback at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What could it be used for? How much weight can a drone carry?
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's stick to current technologies, as the development of such key
>>>>>>>>>>> components as batteries, motors, and materials is unlikely to be affected
>>>>>>>>>>> much by the development of this network (unlike the internet, where demand
>>>>>>>>>>> quickly caused a lot of innovation in networking equipment).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Anthony Di Franco <
>>>>>>>>>>> di.franco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2013/01/dronenet-the-next-big-thing.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (I'm a bit interested in the routing problem myself.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "A short distance drone delivery service built on an open
>>>>>>>>>>>> protocol.  Think short haul logistics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "It's a system that will explode in a way that is very similar
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the way the Internet grew up -- where connections were bought by
>>>>>>>>>>>> individuals and installed one modem and IP address at a time, and where the
>>>>>>>>>>>> early providers are local geeks with shelves full of modems and an
>>>>>>>>>>>> expensive T-1 lines.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "It's an approach that uses "uncontrolled airspace" and
>>>>>>>>>>>> incremental purchases of cheap, standards compliant pads/drones to roll
>>>>>>>>>>>> itself out (very similar to the way the Internet was able to piggy back on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the old telephone system).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "As a result of this open approach and decentralization, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> something that could grow VERY fast."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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