[sudoroom] include private workspace in sudoroom?

[Marina Kukso]

hi everyone,

couple more things:

1) this is a proposed budget that only includes the proposal to move into
the art studio upstairs - it is not the be all and end all of possible
budgets that we can look at on wednesday! i encourage anyone who has
alternate proposals, or proposed changes to this budget (like a proposed
change to include private spaces), to create additional documents for us to
look at based off the two proposed budgets that matt sent around:

- month of Nov budget (which will be different from other months due to
backpayments, deposits, etc.)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At_6qzhQZBX8dHU0bWZaNkxpSkcyeG5WMVRwMVQ4aWc#gid=5
- future monthly budgets (after Nov when we will have normal monthly
costs):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At_6qzhQZBX8dHU0bWZaNkxpSkcyeG5WMVRwMVQ4aWc#gid=6

2) regarding the higher dues amount entered, this part can be changed. we
were trying to get a good estimate that was closer to matching costs.
3) re: private space, as our compact is now worded,

   - *sudo room* strives to make assets and resources available to as many
   non-member participants and beneficiaries as possible.
   - Note: no personal property should be stored in *sudo room* unless a
   system for personal storage can be provided by *sudo room*.

we actually haven't decided how it would work to have private storage, how
much of a potential space we'd want to offer for private storage, how
people would request or be given private storage, how much we would charge
for private storage, etc. any ideas?
4) remember, the compact can be changed!
5) finally, on the issue of how private spaces might work if we just got
the art studio, i'm having a hard time imagining where, physically, the
private space would be (in the closet area of the art studio?).
6) posted breakdown on current amounts owed is shaded in green under costs
associated with 2135 broadway here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At_6qzhQZBX8dHU0bWZaNkxpSkcyeG5WMVRwMVQ4aWc#gid=5
i
know that it's not the most transparent doc, would it be helpful for me to
write up a little guide to this part of the budget? i'd be happy to do that.

finally, i REALLY REALLY encourage folks, if at all possible, to try and
make it for as much of this wednesday's meeting as possible. if we get
started right at 7, we can make real progress towards deciding where to
move in nov.

- marina


ps - i'll try to be in the irc today through wednesday for anyone who wants
to talk about proposals, making a budget, understanding the current budget,
or any other sudo-activities! nick = mk30. url for anyone who needs it:
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=sudoroom


On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>wrote:

> Two quick notes:
>
> (a) You're right about the classroom space, it was only a personal
> sticking point, trying to work it out for Workshop Weekend asap.
> (b) Eddan is planning to continue leasing the spaces downstairs even if we
> let them go. Further, he would be open to making them available for private
> usage, which may suffice for everyone mentioned in Hol's proposal. 575 for
> 3 private spaces, maybe 1 in orange closet, 2 in fishbowl a.k.a. box
> office? Thus Sudo Room would lower costs by renting less space, but the
> private spaces would be accounted for, albeit on the 1st floor. Needs to be
> considered of course by those interesting in private space.
>
> // Matt
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 9:08 AM, <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Just now going over emails after a weekend up north.  It's unfortunate to
>> hear about the issue with another group overriding our classroom
>> reservation.  If a system can be worked out with George to prevent this in
>> the future, I think it would still be worth retaining access to the ready
>> to use classroom and the meeting room that has so far been very useful to
>> us.  Also, some pulsating RGB LEDs in the fishbowl would probably still be
>> visible to street passers-by :) and maybe we could mention to George that
>> the signage severely limits the appeal of that space for us if it still
>> seems otherwise desirable, see if the reaction is accommodating.
>>
>> Concerning the proposed budget, 2 things catch my eye.  First, dues are
>> listed at $60 when alot of people said $50 was the max they wanted to pay
>> iirc.  Second, was there a decision to eliminate the option for personal
>> workspaces (tables or whatever, paid for at the same $/sf rate, with no
>> special requirements RE noise, etc) in sudoroom?  That's a good source of
>> revenue that has been omitted in this revised budget without any discussion
>> that I could see.  If we need to amend the compact to include this, it
>> might be worth doing.  It can be hard to work on big or long-term projects
>> when you have to put everything away entirely after each session so I think
>> excluding personal work areas would exclude a number of people on the list
>> whose primary interests require the execution of such projects.
>>  Second-and-a-halfth, is there a posted breakdown on money currently owed?
>>
>> Sorry if this has already been covered in previous emails - I know I
>> missed out on the big gathering and coming back to a full inbox leaves me
>> confused and inevitably wandering threads for a few days.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Hol
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