[sudoroom] electronic access

Jae Kwon jkwon.work at gmail.com
Tue Nov 20 10:30:19 CET 2012 

Hmm, I couldn't find a 6600, but I'll ask. Maybe it's an 8600? 

On Nov 20, 2012, at 12:48 AM, Susan Werner <heinousbutch at gmail.com> wrote:

> In case anyone wants to know, the current device on the door is an Adams Rite 
> 6600 vertical rod exit device.
> 
> -- 
> Susan
> 
> On Nov 19 06:36, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 1. We are expecting some quotes from a professional this week -- Erik has
>> more info.
>> 2. All we need is some opening and intercom hardware because (a) George
>> will have someone install it for us and (b)
>> Marc/Erik/Andrew/Dan/Jae/Myself/andNowSusan/AnyoneElse are interested in
>> making the proper interfaces and getting them working all together.
>> 3. I'm working on making sure access is provided as much as possible in the
>> mean time, coordinating with Jenny/Felicia.
>> 
>> // Matt
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Susan Werner <heinousbutch at gmail.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> I will try heading there tomorrow (probably around 2pm or so).
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Susan
>>> 
>>> On Nov 18 22:02, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I am willing to be there often throughout the week, but am still in need
>>> of
>>>> a key. (hence cc'ing matt)
>>>> 
>>>> George is in the building from 3-5ish every day, I will try to pin down
>>>> info on the lock system but would be happy to have others there (eg susan
>>>> or jae) to ask more specific questions.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll ask about the factors people have brought up in this thread
>>> tomorrow.
>>>> 
>>>> Susan and others, I'll be there tomorrow by midday, can get let into
>>>> sudoroom by george or eddan, and my number is 315,292,4656
>>>> 
>>>> <3jnny
>>>> On Nov 18, 2012 9:31 PM, "Jae Kwon" <jkwon.work at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I found this:
>>> http://216.171.160.5/media/pdf/2011/AR_AC-ElecOptionsED.pdf
>>>>> 
>>>>> It looks like they have an option for an electric solenoid system for
>>> the
>>>>> panic bar.
>>>>> Whoever made our thing might have options for a solenoid thing as
>>> well, or
>>>>> we might already have it installed.
>>>>> We should figure out who made our panic bar and ask.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll try to swing by Tuesday afternoon, unless somebody can figure it
>>> out
>>>>> on Monday. Then, call them, or let me know and I'll call them and ask
>>> for
>>>>> some info and quote.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Searching for "electric latch retraction kit" yields some results.
>>> Another
>>>>> solenoid one costs $400+ dollars.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Remaining questions:
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Are there cheaper solenoid kits?
>>>>> * Who made our panic bar? (maybe George knows?)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 18, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Jae Kwon <jkwon.work at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the writeup, Susan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm doing some research online on this now. If you want to chat live,
>>> ping
>>>>> me on IRC at #sudoroom or find me on #sudoroom_access.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ## Electric Strike
>>>>> * Can the electric strike be installed easily, or does it require
>>> cutting
>>>>> the door or wall?
>>>>> 
>>>>> ## Internal Door Thing
>>>>> * What is the mechanism by which the vertical bars retract?
>>>>> * What existing device can automate this retraction without modifying
>>> the
>>>>> external panic bar mechanism?
>>>>> * How much does it cost?
>>>>> 
>>>>> ## External Door Thing
>>>>> * If all fails, then we can definitely make an external device that
>>> will
>>>>> not obstruct the original door mechanism, by 3d printing a robotic
>>> pair of
>>>>> pushers. Who's interested in this project?
>>>>> * We will learn how to use Blender and/or Sketchup (whichever is better
>>>>> suited for modification of gear and lever systems),
>>>>> * and we will scour the internet and Thingiverse for existing works to
>>>>> fork from,
>>>>> * and we'll be doing some basic arduino programming as well
>>>>> 
>>>>> ## Interim Solution
>>>>> * Who's going to be at SudoRoom when? We need to keep a calendar of
>>>>> key-keepers, who will be responsible for handing keys etc.
>>>>> * Someone needs to create this very specific Google Calendar and
>>> invite us.
>>>>> * Who has the keys now? How many are left?
>>>>> * Who is willing to volunteer to be at SudoRoom at future dates and
>>> hours?
>>>>> I'm willing to be there once a week until we get a long term solution.
>>> We
>>>>> need more volunteers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Jae
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 18, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Susan Werner <heinousbutch at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> What's generally used in these cases is what's called an electric
>>> strike:
>>>>> (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_strike or
>>>>> http://www.accesshardware.com/press/AHS%20HES%20CompleteGuide.pdf )
>>>>> 
>>>>> An electric strike is a device that is installed in the doorframe that
>>>>> frees
>>>>> the bolt (and thus the door) to move even when the bolt is extended.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another option is to replace the entire panic bar is replaced with a
>>> panic
>>>>> bar
>>>>> with an internal delocking mechanism that can retract its bolt when
>>> power
>>>>> is
>>>>> applied.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What should *not* be done is any modification of the panic bar --
>>> doing so
>>>>> is
>>>>> likely to violate fire codes / life safety codes. In most building
>>> codes,
>>>>> there
>>>>> are strict requirements about what's allowed (and not) on doors with
>>> panic
>>>>> bars
>>>>> and from what I understand, modifying the panic bar is likely to cause
>>> a
>>>>> code
>>>>> violation. (an electric strike doesn't interfere with any of the
>>>>> functioning of
>>>>> a panic bar, so those are OK)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Once you have a something that unlocks when power is applied, all you
>>> need
>>>>> to
>>>>> do is interface that with a 3.3V / 5V logic output (relay + transistor
>>>>> with the
>>>>> right protection diodes is an easy way to go) and connect that to a
>>>>> computer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Susan
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 18 19:08, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Susan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Last I heard we were going to get an estimate from a door guy and then
>>> see
>>>>> if we could do it our selves for cheaper. The problem we have is that
>>> the
>>>>> outside facing door is one of those push bar doors. We aren't sure how
>>> to
>>>>> approach replacing the lock with an rfid or card reader. Do you have
>>> any
>>>>> experience with that?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Susan Werner <heinousbutch at gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> What's the status on the access things? I'm interested in helping out
>>> --
>>>>> I've
>>>>> already built very similar things (electric strike + magnetic card
>>> reader
>>>>> interfaced with a WR850G wireless router running openwrt (i interfaced
>>> the
>>>>> e-strike to the GPIO pins and the magnetic card reader to its serial
>>> port).
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also have a working beaglebone running linux (it's a small ARM board
>>>>> with a
>>>>> hellton of GPIO pins, a handful of serial ports, USB, and ethernet)
>>> and I'm
>>>>> willing to use it for the door access control.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Susan
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 18 16:57, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> All updates on the access issues. I tried to get in today, but no one
>>> was
>>>>> there or heard the buzzer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --Andrew
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Jenny Ryan <jenny at thepyre.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is a meta-organizational meetup at 6pm before the meeting
>>>>> 
>>>>> tomorrow.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> http://jennyryan.net
>>>>> http://thepyre.org
>>>>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>>>>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>>>>> -Laurie Anderson
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
>>>>> 
>>>>> it."
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Hannah Arendt
>>>>> 
>>>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>>>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>>>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sounds great. I'll be there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Jonoakland <
>>>>> bayopensourcehardware at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm willing and able to help with the construction side of the
>>>>> electronic access system I propose anyone interested in the
>>>>> 
>>>>> electronic
>>>>> 
>>>>> access project meets before the meeting for brainstorming 6 o'clock
>>>>> Wednesday and then after the meeting also...
>>>>> 
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