[sudoroom] electronic access

Susan Werner heinousbutch at gmail.com
Tue Nov 20 11:02:08 CET 2012 

It's an 8600. I typo'd it in my original email.

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On Nov 20 01:30, Jae Kwon <jkwon.work at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm, I couldn't find a 6600, but I'll ask. Maybe it's an 8600? 
> 
> On Nov 20, 2012, at 12:48 AM, Susan Werner <heinousbutch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > In case anyone wants to know, the current device on the door is an Adams Rite 
> > 6600 vertical rod exit device.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Susan
> > 
> > On Nov 19 06:36, Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 1. We are expecting some quotes from a professional this week -- Erik has
> >> more info.
> >> 2. All we need is some opening and intercom hardware because (a) George
> >> will have someone install it for us and (b)
> >> Marc/Erik/Andrew/Dan/Jae/Myself/andNowSusan/AnyoneElse are interested in
> >> making the proper interfaces and getting them working all together.
> >> 3. I'm working on making sure access is provided as much as possible in the
> >> mean time, coordinating with Jenny/Felicia.
> >> 
> >> // Matt
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:06 AM, Susan Werner <heinousbutch at gmail.com>wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I will try heading there tomorrow (probably around 2pm or so).
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> Susan
> >>> 
> >>> On Nov 18 22:02, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> I am willing to be there often throughout the week, but am still in need
> >>> of
> >>>> a key. (hence cc'ing matt)
> >>>> 
> >>>> George is in the building from 3-5ish every day, I will try to pin down
> >>>> info on the lock system but would be happy to have others there (eg susan
> >>>> or jae) to ask more specific questions.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I'll ask about the factors people have brought up in this thread
> >>> tomorrow.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Susan and others, I'll be there tomorrow by midday, can get let into
> >>>> sudoroom by george or eddan, and my number is 315,292,4656
> >>>> 
> >>>> <3jnny
> >>>> On Nov 18, 2012 9:31 PM, "Jae Kwon" <jkwon.work at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> I found this:
> >>> http://216.171.160.5/media/pdf/2011/AR_AC-ElecOptionsED.pdf
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> It looks like they have an option for an electric solenoid system for
> >>> the
> >>>>> panic bar.
> >>>>> Whoever made our thing might have options for a solenoid thing as
> >>> well, or
> >>>>> we might already have it installed.
> >>>>> We should figure out who made our panic bar and ask.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I'll try to swing by Tuesday afternoon, unless somebody can figure it
> >>> out
> >>>>> on Monday. Then, call them, or let me know and I'll call them and ask
> >>> for
> >>>>> some info and quote.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Searching for "electric latch retraction kit" yields some results.
> >>> Another
> >>>>> solenoid one costs $400+ dollars.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Remaining questions:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> * Are there cheaper solenoid kits?
> >>>>> * Who made our panic bar? (maybe George knows?)
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Nov 18, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Jae Kwon <jkwon.work at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Thanks for the writeup, Susan.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I'm doing some research online on this now. If you want to chat live,
> >>> ping
> >>>>> me on IRC at #sudoroom or find me on #sudoroom_access.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ## Electric Strike
> >>>>> * Can the electric strike be installed easily, or does it require
> >>> cutting
> >>>>> the door or wall?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ## Internal Door Thing
> >>>>> * What is the mechanism by which the vertical bars retract?
> >>>>> * What existing device can automate this retraction without modifying
> >>> the
> >>>>> external panic bar mechanism?
> >>>>> * How much does it cost?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ## External Door Thing
> >>>>> * If all fails, then we can definitely make an external device that
> >>> will
> >>>>> not obstruct the original door mechanism, by 3d printing a robotic
> >>> pair of
> >>>>> pushers. Who's interested in this project?
> >>>>> * We will learn how to use Blender and/or Sketchup (whichever is better
> >>>>> suited for modification of gear and lever systems),
> >>>>> * and we will scour the internet and Thingiverse for existing works to
> >>>>> fork from,
> >>>>> * and we'll be doing some basic arduino programming as well
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ## Interim Solution
> >>>>> * Who's going to be at SudoRoom when? We need to keep a calendar of
> >>>>> key-keepers, who will be responsible for handing keys etc.
> >>>>> * Someone needs to create this very specific Google Calendar and
> >>> invite us.
> >>>>> * Who has the keys now? How many are left?
> >>>>> * Who is willing to volunteer to be at SudoRoom at future dates and
> >>> hours?
> >>>>> I'm willing to be there once a week until we get a long term solution.
> >>> We
> >>>>> need more volunteers.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> - Jae
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Nov 18, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Susan Werner <heinousbutch at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> What's generally used in these cases is what's called an electric
> >>> strike:
> >>>>> (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_strike or
> >>>>> http://www.accesshardware.com/press/AHS%20HES%20CompleteGuide.pdf )
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> An electric strike is a device that is installed in the doorframe that
> >>>>> frees
> >>>>> the bolt (and thus the door) to move even when the bolt is extended.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Another option is to replace the entire panic bar is replaced with a
> >>> panic
> >>>>> bar
> >>>>> with an internal delocking mechanism that can retract its bolt when
> >>> power
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> applied.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> What should *not* be done is any modification of the panic bar --
> >>> doing so
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> likely to violate fire codes / life safety codes. In most building
> >>> codes,
> >>>>> there
> >>>>> are strict requirements about what's allowed (and not) on doors with
> >>> panic
> >>>>> bars
> >>>>> and from what I understand, modifying the panic bar is likely to cause
> >>> a
> >>>>> code
> >>>>> violation. (an electric strike doesn't interfere with any of the
> >>>>> functioning of
> >>>>> a panic bar, so those are OK)
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Once you have a something that unlocks when power is applied, all you
> >>> need
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> do is interface that with a 3.3V / 5V logic output (relay + transistor
> >>>>> with the
> >>>>> right protection diodes is an easy way to go) and connect that to a
> >>>>> computer.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Susan
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Nov 18 19:08, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Hi Susan,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Last I heard we were going to get an estimate from a door guy and then
> >>> see
> >>>>> if we could do it our selves for cheaper. The problem we have is that
> >>> the
> >>>>> outside facing door is one of those push bar doors. We aren't sure how
> >>> to
> >>>>> approach replacing the lock with an rfid or card reader. Do you have
> >>> any
> >>>>> experience with that?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Andrew
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Susan Werner <heinousbutch at gmail.com
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> What's the status on the access things? I'm interested in helping out
> >>> --
> >>>>> I've
> >>>>> already built very similar things (electric strike + magnetic card
> >>> reader
> >>>>> interfaced with a WR850G wireless router running openwrt (i interfaced
> >>> the
> >>>>> e-strike to the GPIO pins and the magnetic card reader to its serial
> >>> port).
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I also have a working beaglebone running linux (it's a small ARM board
> >>>>> with a
> >>>>> hellton of GPIO pins, a handful of serial ports, USB, and ethernet)
> >>> and I'm
> >>>>> willing to use it for the door access control.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Susan
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Nov 18 16:57, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> All updates on the access issues. I tried to get in today, but no one
> >>> was
> >>>>> there or heard the buzzer.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> --Andrew
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Jenny Ryan <jenny at thepyre.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> There is a meta-organizational meetup at 6pm before the meeting
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> tomorrow.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Jenny
> >>>>> http://jennyryan.net
> >>>>> http://thepyre.org
> >>>>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
> >>>>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
> >>>>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
> >>>>> -Laurie Anderson
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> it."
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> -Hannah Arendt
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
> >>>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
> >>>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Andrew <andrew at roshambomedia.com>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Sounds great. I'll be there.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Jonoakland <
> >>>>> bayopensourcehardware at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I'm willing and able to help with the construction side of the
> >>>>> electronic access system I propose anyone interested in the
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> electronic
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> access project meets before the meeting for brainstorming 6 o'clock
> >>>>> Wednesday and then after the meeting also...
> >>>>> 
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> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> -------
> >>>>> Andrew Lowe
> >>>>> Cell: 831-332-2507
> >>>>> http://roshambomedia.com <http://roshambomediacom>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
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> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> -------
> >>>>> Andrew Lowe
> >>>>> Cell: 831-332-2507
> >>>>> http://roshambomedia.com
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
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> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> -------
> >>>>> Andrew Lowe
> >>>>> Cell: 831-332-2507
> >>>>> http://roshambomedia.com
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
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> > 
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