[sudoroom] **CRITICAL** Update for 2135 broadway, Oakland, CA
Eddan Katz
eddan at oaklandlocal.com
Wed Jun 6 02:43:32 CEST 2012
Hey there Sudo people.
I dropped by the 2135 Broadway building and saw the owner George at 3
(he's always there at 3pm apparently) to see if there was any update on
some of the offices. Apparently, the empty office out front was just
secured by someone and the first floor room (near common area) was also
just snatched up.
I did not want to lose this opportunity at this location, though it does
seem like there's a lot of turnover in the building. Given that we're in
the first week of June already, George was willing to waive the month of
June rent. So I decided to put a deposit down on several of the rooms -
the "box office"; the orange closet (near the common area) and the
upstairs offices that Matt previously described.
We negotiated down to $575 for the box office and the orange closet
combined [I wrote him a check for $1,150]. Separately, he was willing to
rent the office #1 next to the reception upstairs for $300/month. [I
wrote him a check for $600].
Regardless of the collective Sudo Room decision on the space, I thought
with sharing just a couple offices with some of you folks in strategic
locations, we could then use the common areas for meetings, conferences,
classes, with a waiting/reception area as well as the box office room.
If anyone wants to join me at 6:15pm at 2135 Broadway, it would be great
to get a chance to celebrate over some beers nearby.
-Eddan
On 6/3/12 1:55 PM, Matthew Senate wrote:
> We can post locations we find here: http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/
>
> We need at least address, phone, details from each property.
>
> You can use the web form on the site, send an email to
> info at sudoroom.org <mailto:info at sudoroom.org>, or simply tweet @sudroom
> or #sudoroom.
>
> I'm going to send a text to my twitter account to tweet @sudoroom,
> which we'll be able to pull into crowd map later.
>
> You can also attach pictures and video. We can export everything as a
> CSV later.
>
> // Matt
>
> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com
> <mailto:marina.kukso at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi friends,
>
> looking forward to seeing all of you at 2PM at oscar grant plaza
> for our scouting session. bring your bikes and phones as we might
> be using crowdmap to share what we find as we scout.
>
> i've also tried to distill some of the main questions, comments,
> and concerns from everyone's emails on this space and placed them
> on the riseup pad (https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom). feel free
> to add more questions/comments/concerns, answer any questions,
> respond to any of the raised points, and continue discussing.
>
> if you have any trouble accessing the pad, here are the notes i added:
>
> Questions:
> - When does the decision have to be made by?
> - How would it work to start with one space and move into others?
> - Does the room itself have a separate door/lock from the front door?
> - Can everyone have keys to the front entrance and/or to the room
> itself?
> - How big is the classroom?
> - It was mentioned that the classroom is available for anyone to
> use. How does the signup for the classroom work? How early do you
> have to book it? Does it have a separate key, etc?
> - What would happen with tech liminal - would we continue to have
> meetings there? Relatedly, how long can we continue to meet at
> tech liminal while we look for a permanent place?
> - Who will be on the contract?
>
> Concerns:
> - Too expensive per sq ft?
> - Is it worth it to spend money on a temporary space for 2 months?
> Would it be better to save money and stay in tech liminal until a
> better space comes along?
> - Is it too small to be practical?
> - If spaces in this building come up for rent often (and the
> manager is flexible and allows month to month rent on them
> frequently), how urgent is it to move on this particular spot?
> - One issue to consider here is that the front room may not
> come up for rent often - there are a number of rooms in this
> building, but only one that faces the street. (MK)
> - Governance, membership, and financial issues will need to be
> resolved ASAP if we agree to move forward with the space.
>
>
> Comments:
> - Good location
> - Two of the spaces in the building are accessible - questions
> about accessibility the upstairs office space.
> - Near BART
> - Lots of foot traffic in this neighborhood
> - Creative neighbors may provide opportunities for
> cross-pollination
> - Low initial capital investment
> - Street-facing room allows for signage/other creative recruitment
> mechanisms.
> - The "box office" room is not itself a storefront; there is a
> small foyer in the building with nothing in it. However, the "box
> office" does have a large window that opens into the foyer and is
> visible from the street. I think there are many opportunities for
> utilizing that window and folks are already discussing
> possibilities for eye-catching and awesome recruitment mechanisms.
> (MK)
> - Flexibility of rental contract is a positive.
> - Landlord is friendly to the project.
> - Landlord is flexible in terms of rooms rented - many
> possibilities for moving into additional spaces (building has a
> variety of spaces that are more/less conducive to solitary,
> collaborative, and other modes of work). Landlord is open to
> providing discounts on additional spaces once first space is rented.
> - Shared classroom space is little-used and available for all tenants.
> - Space has wifi and landlord is open to possibly wiring it in the
> future
> - The small size of the room can be an advantage instead of a
> disadvantage. It will make it easier to maintain a "hub of
> activity" feeling with fewer people, and the image of several
> hackers seen through the window trying to fit into the room will
> make the case demonstratively that we need a bigger room.
> - The curb in front of the building is zoned for 2 spots for
> loading and unloading - this may be useful for setting up a way to
> receive donations of hardware in a spot easily accessible to the
> public.
> - Existence of a space is likely to increase interest and bring in
> new sudoers
> - Existence of a space creates "facts on the ground" that will
> energize and motivate existing sudoers to maintain it.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Marina Kukso
> <marina.kukso at gmail.com <mailto:marina.kukso at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> michael and i actually were wondering what the situation was
> with that building as we checked out 2135 broadway today. it's
> seemed empty for at least a couple years (i've never seen
> anything but the current posters there). the kapor center site
> says that they plan to move in in 2013...
>
> also, while we're on the topic of neighbors of 2135, to the
> right of 2135 is a psychic. to the right of the psychic (with
> the tile mosaic entryway) is the separate entrance to the
> upstairs part of 2135 (this is the entrance for the upstairs
> double office - option #3 in matt's original email). to the
> right of that is a currently empty spot that will have a new
> organization moving in starting in june: the sound room (bay
> area jazz and arts) http://secondsaturdaysalon.com/. the sound
> room is also somehow partnered with the space directly to the
> left of 2135 - 2131 broadway (the papered-up space all the way
> on the left in this streetview:
> https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24>).
> 2131 had an art show yesterday as part of art murmur. this is
> listed as a sound room event on the sound room site: "Art show
> featuring Faultline ArtSpace will be held at 2131 Broadway -
> in the same building as our space but on the adjacent corner."
> however, by today everything at 2131 was packed up and empty,
> so it's not clear what the situation is with 2131.
>
> either way, it looks like the spot will have interesting
> neighbors moving in soon, and potentially folks we would want
> to get in touch with (at the very least because of the
> surprising resonances between our organizations' names: sudo
> room/sound room)
>
> - marina
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Eddan Katz
> <eddan at oaklandlocal.com <mailto:eddan at oaklandlocal.com>> wrote:
>
> It turns out the neighbors directly across the street from
> 2135 Broadway will be the future home of the Kapor Center
> (http://www.kaporcenter.org/). Or they may already have
> some offices set up in there? I haven't seen anyone come
> in or out when I've passed by. Does anyone know anything
> about that?
>
>
> On 6/2/12 9:03 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
>>
>> Well we are the hackers. We will be the ones using it.
>> The most important part is that wherever we go, we hack
>> in there. Aq
>>
>> On Jun 2, 2012 8:53 AM, "Eddan Katz"
>> <eddan at oaklandlocal.com <mailto:eddan at oaklandlocal.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Regarding Tech Liminal, it was my understanding that
>> we still wanted to have meetings there and that this
>> is a temporary (6-month) initiative to formulate
>> aspects of SudoRoom's identity not as easily
>> developed from those meetings at Tech Liminal.
>>
>> Also, I think it worthwhile mentioning that the curb
>> in front of the building is zoned for 2 spots for
>> loading and unloading - this may be useful for
>> setting up a way to receive donations of hardware in
>> a spot easily accessible to the public.
>>
>>
>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800 <tel:%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800>
>>
>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Eddan Katz
>> <eddan at oaklandlocal.com
>> <mailto:eddan at oaklandlocal.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we should put a big sign on the window of
>>> the office facing the street (bullet-proof, as the
>>> manager mentioned) that says:
>>>
>>> "Help us get a bigger: SudoRoom.org
>>> <http://SudoRoom.org>".
>>>
>>> With the placement of the sign along people's walk
>>> home from the BART to the lake - I can imagine
>>> getting our money back, renting more practical space
>>> in that building and then some, imho. The image of
>>> several hackers seen through the window trying to
>>> fit into the room will make the case demonstratively
>>> that we need a bigger room.
>>>
>>> For those who have seen the place, I can think of no
>>> better space that evokes the name - Sudo Room.
>>>
>>> [constraints are the canvas of creativity]
>>>
>>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800
>>> <tel:%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800>
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "Patrik D'haeseleer"
>>> <patrikd at gmail.com <mailto:patrikd at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On the other hand - what do we really gain by
>>>> renting a temporary 150 sq ft room, that we
>>>> couldn't get at TechLiminal for free? Place to
>>>> leave stuff lying around? Is 150 sq ft even big
>>>> enough to fit us all?
>>>>
>>>> As long as Anca is happy to host us (and I think
>>>> having the extra traffic is probably a good thing
>>>> for TechLiminal) I don't see a good reason to spend
>>>> our small amount of funds on a separate room that
>>>> we don't truly need and that would only be a
>>>> temporary fix anyway. I'd say let's spend some of
>>>> that money on Anca, and stay at Techliminal at
>>>> least until we find something more permanent..
>>>>
>>>> Also, as soon as we start paying rent on a monthly
>>>> basis, we need to get serious about monthly paying
>>>> memberships as well. But so far we haven't done
>>>> much to make people eager to pay for a membership.
>>>>
>>>> Besides, if this guy really has lots of spaces and
>>>> they come up for rent often, there really isn't any
>>>> need to jump on whatever he has available right
>>>> now. I'm sure he'll have some other spaces open
>>>> next month as well.
>>>>
>>>> Patrik
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Jenny Ryan
>>>> <jenny at thepyre.org <mailto:jenny at thepyre.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Matt, and also Eddan & Timon - thanks for
>>>> moving on this! I think this could be a
>>>> fantastic initial space for Sudo Room..
>>>>
>>>> Location is great, though 150 square feet is
>>>> absurdly small. How big is the classroom we
>>>> could use?
>>>>
>>>> Overpriced for the size, imho, but the
>>>> visibility we could definitely work wrt
>>>> outreach for the group... though with the rest
>>>> of the building's amenities available to us,
>>>> might be a good bet.
>>>>
>>>> Would love to meet on Saturday, though would
>>>> have to be early afternoon for me to make it
>>>> (send-off party for our yurt builder & current
>>>> resident, Morten, in our garden on Saturday
>>>> starting around 4! email me if you'd like to
>>>> come :)
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> http://jennyryan.net <http://jennyryan.net/>
>>>> http://thepyre.org <http://thepyre.org/>
>>>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>>>> <http://thevirtualcampfire.org/>
>>>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>>> <http://technomadic.tumblr.com/>
>>>>
>>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>> "Technology is the campfire around which we
>>>> tell our stories."
>>>> -Laurie Anderson
>>>>
>>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without
>>>> committing the error of defining it."
>>>> -Hannah Arendt
>>>>
>>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Eddie A Tejeda
>>>> <eddie.tejeda at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:eddie.tejeda at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Matt.. thanks for leading this. I think
>>>> this is a great opportunity. If I
>>>> understand this correctly, there are
>>>> multiple spaces available and we can start
>>>> with one and move into other ones as
>>>> needed? If that's the case I think it makes
>>>> perfect sense to start with the smaller
>>>> space and grow as needed.
>>>>
>>>> I also this it's a cool location. When do
>>>> you need to make the decision by?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Eddie A Tejeda
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Matthew
>>>> Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:mattsenate at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Howdy Folks,
>>>>
>>>> We've been in search of a space. There
>>>> are lots of options, and bigger,
>>>> brighter futures rest on the horizon.
>>>>
>>>> On Weds, Eddan found this listing on
>>>> craigslist:
>>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3036298243.html
>>>> seen here:
>>>> https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24
>>>> <https://mapsgoogle.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I gave George, the property manager, a
>>>> call. I had seen some other offices in
>>>> his space months before, he has lots of
>>>> spaces and they come up for rent often.
>>>> All month-to-month contracts, and a
>>>> lease if we really want one He said he
>>>> was available today at 3pm. I showed up
>>>> and Eddan and Timon joined in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We saw three offices. I have
>>>> photographs stored on a proprietary
>>>> memory device and will retrieve them
>>>> ASAP upon apprehension of the proper cable.
>>>>
>>>> 1. $500 / month 350 sq ft - The LISTED
>>>> ROOM - has WiFi access, on the ground
>>>> floor, outlets, lights. It is a good
>>>> deal for the size, but it is not very
>>>> close to the street. One must walk
>>>> through a hallway, through a
>>>> half-office, and down another hallway
>>>> (all disability accessible) to get to
>>>> it. This is not bad, just a bit removed
>>>> from public view.
>>>>
>>>> 2. $400 / month (no exact measure, but
>>>> about 150 sq. ft). - The BOX OFFICE
>>>> (calling it that for short). Has a
>>>> window, is just a few feet inside
>>>> public-facing street-level doors in
>>>> the same area as the LISTED ROOM. Also
>>>> has WiFi Access. Sits directly outside
>>>> a shared building "classroom" area
>>>> available to all renters, just sign up
>>>> ahead of time. If we rent the BOX
>>>> OFFICE, we can occasionally use the
>>>> LISTED ROOM while it's open
>>>>
>>>> 3. $350 / month (no exact measure, but
>>>> no bigger than 400 sq ft) - The DOUBLE
>>>> OFFICE is upstairs, at the very top of
>>>> the entrance steps. It has access to an
>>>> unused, common "reception" area that
>>>> would be available for our usage. It
>>>> has cable and wifi internet access. The
>>>> DOUBLE OFFICE includes two offices that
>>>> are connected, side-by-side. The rear
>>>> door has
>>>>
>>>> All rooms have access to the
>>>> "classroom" area on the ground floor,
>>>> just need to sign up as described
>>>> above. The building just got faster
>>>> WIFI service provided by Sonic.net
>>>> <http://Sonic.net> installed recently.
>>>> George is interested in providing
>>>> line-access to internet in all ground
>>>> floor offices in the future, we could
>>>> also do this ourselves he offered.
>>>>
>>>> Also, we can potentially rent multiple
>>>> of these spaces, or move from one to
>>>> other available spaces in the building
>>>> at a later time.
>>>>
>>>> In order to move forward with this
>>>> space (and not to lose footing), I have
>>>> a proposal:
>>>>
>>>> *Sudo Room should consider "dipping"
>>>> it's toe into the BOX OFFICE space (no.
>>>> 2 above) by investing a portion of our
>>>> fund-raiser funds of $200 first month
>>>> (50% off for move-in), $400 obligatory
>>>> for last month (which can be july if we
>>>> wish), and a redeemable $400
>>>> deposit--at a grand total of $1,000,
>>>> lasting to at least July*. This would
>>>> only commit us to two months in the
>>>> space, the first month of which (June)
>>>> we can sort out all the precise
>>>> governance, tax, and income issues, by
>>>> consensus, in order to move forward
>>>> (remain, expand, or move) with this
>>>> space and our future!
>>>>
>>>> I propose we hold a discussion on this
>>>> email thread, use our other online
>>>> tools, convene an in-person meetup on
>>>> Saturday (anywhere that's available),
>>>> consider all the issues and list them
>>>> on the wiki, convene briefly again on
>>>> Sunday with whoever can make the "scout
>>>> session" (still on), and plan to move
>>>> forward on Monday having begun due
>>>> diligence to consider if we have the
>>>> blessings of our community!
>>>>
>>>> Please add notes in reply to this
>>>> thread, on this pad (for anonymous
>>>> communication too):
>>>> https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom and
>>>> ultimately we'll put everything on the
>>>> Wiki on Saturday to sort out by Monday.
>>>>
>>>> On clarifying note: it seems to me that
>>>> it would be prudent to maintain the
>>>> Sunday "scouting" event for due
>>>> diligence reasons, and for future
>>>> option reasons!
>>>>
>>>> // Matt
>>>>
>>>> p.s. Note that time is crucial because
>>>> other folks (including some we bumped
>>>> into while on tour) are also looking at
>>>> these spaces, and with the first of the
>>>> month approaching, it is in the
>>>> property manager's best interest to
>>>> move folks in soon.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Eddie A Tejeda
>>>>
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