[sudoroom] **CRITICAL** Update for 2135 broadway, Oakland, CA

[Matthew Senate]

We can post locations we find here: http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/

We need at least address, phone, details from each property.

You can use the web form on the site, send an email to info at sudoroom.org,
or simply tweet @sudroom or #sudoroom.

I'm going to send a text to my twitter account to tweet @sudoroom, which
we'll be able to pull into crowd map later.

You can also attach pictures and video. We can export everything as a CSV
later.

// Matt

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> looking forward to seeing all of you at 2PM at oscar grant plaza for our
> scouting session. bring your bikes and phones as we might be using crowdmap
> to share what we find as we scout.
>
> i've also tried to distill some of the main questions, comments, and
> concerns from everyone's emails on this space and placed them on the riseup
> pad (https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom). feel free to add more
> questions/comments/concerns, answer any questions, respond to any of the
> raised points, and continue discussing.
>
> if you have any trouble accessing the pad, here are the notes i added:
>
> Questions:
> - When does the decision have to be made by?
> - How would it work to start with one space and move into others?
> - Does the room itself have a separate door/lock from the front door?
> - Can everyone have keys to the front entrance and/or to the room itself?
> - How big is the classroom?
> - It was mentioned that the classroom is available for anyone to use. How
> does the signup for the classroom work? How early do you have to book it?
> Does it have a separate key, etc?
> - What would happen with tech liminal - would we continue to have meetings
> there? Relatedly, how long can we continue to meet at tech liminal while we
> look for a permanent place?
> - Who will be on the contract?
>
> Concerns:
> - Too expensive per sq ft?
> - Is it worth it to spend money on a temporary space for 2 months? Would
> it be better to save money and stay in tech liminal until a better space
> comes along?
> - Is it too small to be practical?
> - If spaces in this building come up for rent often (and the manager is
> flexible and allows month to month rent on them frequently), how urgent is
> it to move on this particular spot?
>     - One issue to consider here is that the front room may not come up
> for rent often - there are a number of rooms in this building, but only one
> that faces the street. (MK)
> - Governance, membership, and financial issues will need to be resolved
> ASAP if we agree to move forward with the space.
>
>
> Comments:
> - Good location
>     - Two of the spaces in the building are accessible - questions about
> accessibility the upstairs office space.
>     - Near BART
>     - Lots of foot traffic in this neighborhood
>     - Creative neighbors may provide opportunities for cross-pollination
> - Low initial capital investment
> - Street-facing room allows for signage/other creative recruitment
> mechanisms.
>     - The "box office" room is not itself a storefront; there is a small
> foyer in the building with nothing in it. However, the "box office" does
> have a large window that opens into the foyer and is visible from the
> street. I think there are many opportunities for utilizing that window and
> folks are already discussing possibilities for eye-catching and awesome
> recruitment mechanisms. (MK)
> - Flexibility of rental contract is a positive.
> - Landlord is friendly to the project.
> - Landlord is flexible in terms of rooms rented - many possibilities for
> moving into additional spaces (building has a variety of spaces that are
> more/less conducive to solitary, collaborative, and other modes of work).
> Landlord is open to providing discounts on additional spaces once first
> space is rented.
> - Shared classroom space is little-used and available for all tenants.
> - Space has wifi and landlord is open to possibly wiring it in the future
> - The small size of the room can be an advantage instead of a
> disadvantage. It will make it easier to maintain a "hub of activity"
> feeling with fewer people, and the image of several hackers seen through
> the window trying to fit into the room will make the case demonstratively
> that we need a bigger room.
> - The curb in front of the building is zoned for 2 spots for loading and
> unloading - this may be useful for setting up a way to receive donations of
> hardware in a spot easily accessible to the public.
> - Existence of a space is likely to increase interest and bring in new
> sudoers
> - Existence of a space creates "facts on the ground" that will energize
> and motivate existing sudoers to maintain it.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> michael and i actually were wondering what the situation was with that
>> building as we checked out 2135 broadway today. it's seemed empty for at
>> least a couple years (i've never seen anything but the current posters
>> there). the kapor center site says that they plan to move in in 2013...
>>
>> also, while we're on the topic of neighbors of 2135, to the right of 2135
>> is a psychic. to the right of the psychic (with the tile mosaic entryway)
>> is the separate entrance to the upstairs part of 2135 (this is the entrance
>> for the upstairs double office - option #3 in matt's original email). to
>> the right of that is a currently empty spot that will have a new
>> organization moving in starting in june: the sound room (bay area jazz and
>> arts) http://secondsaturdaysalon.com/. the sound room is also somehow
>> partnered with the space directly to the left of 2135 - 2131 broadway (the
>> papered-up space all the way on the left in this streetview:
>> https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24).
>> 2131 had an art show yesterday as part of art murmur. this is listed as a
>> sound room event on the sound room site: "Art show featuring  Faultline
>> ArtSpace will be held at 2131 Broadway - in the same building as our space
>> but on the adjacent corner." however, by today everything at 2131 was
>> packed up and empty, so it's not clear what the situation is with 2131.
>>
>> either way, it looks like the spot will have interesting neighbors moving
>> in soon, and potentially folks we would want to get in touch with (at the
>> very least because of the surprising resonances between our organizations'
>> names: sudo room/sound room)
>>
>> - marina
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  It turns out the neighbors directly across the street from 2135
>>> Broadway will be the future home of the Kapor Center (
>>> http://www.kaporcenter.org/).  Or they may already have some offices
>>> set up in there? I haven't seen anyone come in or out when I've passed by.
>>> Does anyone know anything about that?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/2/12 9:03 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
>>>
>>> Well we are the hackers. We will be the ones using it. The most
>>> important part is that wherever we go, we hack in there. Aq
>>> On Jun 2, 2012 8:53 AM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Regarding Tech Liminal, it was my understanding that we still wanted
>>>> to have meetings there and that this is a temporary (6-month) initiative to
>>>> formulate aspects of SudoRoom's identity not as easily developed from those
>>>> meetings at Tech Liminal.
>>>>
>>>>  Also, I think it worthwhile mentioning that the curb in front of the
>>>> building is zoned for 2 spots for loading and unloading - this may be
>>>> useful for setting up a way to receive donations of hardware in a spot
>>>> easily accessible to the public.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   I think we should put a big sign on the window of the office facing
>>>> the street (bullet-proof, as the manager mentioned) that says:
>>>>
>>>>  "Help us get a bigger: SudoRoom.org".
>>>>
>>>>  With the placement of the sign along people's walk home from the BART
>>>> to the lake - I can imagine getting our money back, renting more practical
>>>> space in that building and then some, imho. The image of several hackers
>>>> seen through the window trying to fit into the room will make the case
>>>> demonstratively that we need a bigger room.
>>>>
>>>>  For those who have seen the place, I can think of no better space
>>>> that evokes the name - Sudo Room.
>>>>
>>>>  [constraints are the canvas of creativity]
>>>>
>>>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800 <%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  On the other hand - what do we really gain by renting a temporary 150
>>>> sq ft room, that we couldn't get at TechLiminal for free? Place to leave
>>>> stuff lying around? Is 150 sq ft even big enough to fit us all?
>>>>
>>>> As long as Anca is happy to host us (and I think having the extra
>>>> traffic is probably a good thing for TechLiminal) I don't see a good reason
>>>> to spend our small amount of funds on a separate room that we don't truly
>>>> need and that would only be a temporary fix anyway. I'd say let's spend
>>>> some of that money on Anca, and stay at Techliminal at least until we find
>>>> something more permanent..
>>>>
>>>> Also, as soon as we start paying rent on a monthly basis, we need to
>>>> get serious about monthly paying memberships as well. But so far we haven't
>>>> done much to make people eager to pay for a membership.
>>>>
>>>> Besides, if this guy really has lots of spaces and they come up for
>>>> rent often, there really isn't any need to jump on whatever he has
>>>> available right now. I'm sure he'll have some other spaces open next month
>>>> as well.
>>>>
>>>> Patrik
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Jenny Ryan <jenny at thepyre.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Matt, and also Eddan & Timon - thanks for moving on this! I think this
>>>>> could be a fantastic initial space for Sudo Room..
>>>>>
>>>>> Location is great, though 150 square feet is absurdly small. How big
>>>>> is the classroom we could use?
>>>>>
>>>>> Overpriced for the size, imho, but the visibility we could definitely
>>>>> work wrt outreach for the group... though with the rest of the building's
>>>>> amenities available to us, might be a good bet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would love to meet on Saturday, though would have to be early
>>>>> afternoon for me to make it (send-off party for our yurt builder & current
>>>>> resident, Morten, in our garden on Saturday starting around 4! email me if
>>>>> you'd like to come :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> http://jennyryan.net
>>>>> http://thepyre.org
>>>>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>>>>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>>>>
>>>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>>  "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>>>>> -Laurie Anderson
>>>>>
>>>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
>>>>> it."
>>>>>  -Hannah Arendt
>>>>>
>>>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>>>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>>>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Eddie A Tejeda <
>>>>> eddie.tejeda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Matt.. thanks for leading this. I think this is a great opportunity.
>>>>>> If I understand this correctly, there are multiple spaces available and we
>>>>>> can start with one and move into other ones as needed? If that's the case I
>>>>>> think it makes perfect sense to start with the smaller space and grow as
>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also this it's a cool location. When do you need to make the
>>>>>> decision by?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Eddie A Tejeda
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Matthew Senate <
>>>>>> mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Howdy Folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've been in search of a space. There are lots of options, and
>>>>>>> bigger, brighter futures rest on the horizon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On Weds, Eddan found this listing on craigslist:
>>>>>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3036298243.html seen here:
>>>>>>> https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24<https://mapsgoogle.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I gave George, the property manager, a call. I had seen some other
>>>>>>> offices in his space months before, he has lots of spaces and they come up
>>>>>>> for rent often. All month-to-month contracts, and a lease if we really want
>>>>>>> one He said he was available today at 3pm. I showed up and Eddan and Timon
>>>>>>> joined in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We saw three offices. I have photographs stored on a proprietary
>>>>>>> memory device and will retrieve them ASAP upon apprehension of the proper
>>>>>>> cable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. $500 / month 350 sq ft - The LISTED ROOM - has WiFi access, on
>>>>>>> the ground floor, outlets, lights. It is a good deal for the size, but it
>>>>>>> is not very close to the street. One must walk through a hallway, through a
>>>>>>> half-office, and down another hallway (all disability accessible) to get to
>>>>>>> it. This is not bad, just a bit removed from public view.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. $400 / month (no exact measure, but about 150 sq. ft). - The BOX
>>>>>>> OFFICE (calling it that for short). Has a window, is just a few feet inside
>>>>>>> public-facing  street-level doors in the same area as the LISTED ROOM. Also
>>>>>>> has WiFi Access. Sits directly outside a shared building "classroom" area
>>>>>>> available to all renters, just sign up ahead of time. If we rent the BOX
>>>>>>> OFFICE, we can occasionally use the LISTED ROOM while it's open
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  3. $350 / month (no exact measure, but no bigger than 400 sq ft) -
>>>>>>> The DOUBLE OFFICE is upstairs, at the very top of the entrance steps. It
>>>>>>> has access to an unused, common "reception" area that would be available
>>>>>>> for our usage. It has cable and wifi internet access. The DOUBLE OFFICE
>>>>>>> includes two offices that are connected, side-by-side. The rear door has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All rooms have access to the "classroom" area on the ground floor,
>>>>>>> just need to sign up as described above. The building just got faster WIFI
>>>>>>> service provided by Sonic.net installed recently. George is
>>>>>>> interested in providing line-access to internet in all ground floor offices
>>>>>>> in the future, we could also do this ourselves he offered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, we can potentially rent multiple of these spaces, or move from
>>>>>>> one to other available spaces in the building at a later time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In order to move forward with this space (and not to lose footing),
>>>>>>> I have a proposal:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sudo Room should consider "dipping" it's toe into the BOX OFFICE
>>>>>>> space (no. 2 above) by investing a portion of our fund-raiser funds of $200
>>>>>>> first month (50% off for move-in), $400 obligatory for last month (which
>>>>>>> can be july if we wish), and a redeemable $400 deposit--at a grand total of
>>>>>>> $1,000, lasting to at least July*. This would only commit us to two
>>>>>>> months in the space, the first month of which (June) we can sort out all
>>>>>>> the precise governance, tax, and income issues, by consensus, in order to
>>>>>>> move forward (remain, expand, or move) with this space and our future!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I propose we hold a discussion on this email thread, use our other
>>>>>>> online tools, convene an in-person meetup on Saturday (anywhere that's
>>>>>>> available), consider all the issues and list them on the wiki, convene
>>>>>>> briefly again on Sunday with whoever can make the "scout session" (still
>>>>>>> on), and plan to move forward on Monday having begun due diligence to
>>>>>>> consider if we have the blessings of our community!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please add notes in reply to this thread, on this pad (for anonymous
>>>>>>> communication too): https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom and
>>>>>>> ultimately we'll put everything on the Wiki on Saturday to sort out by
>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On clarifying note: it seems to me that it would be prudent to
>>>>>>> maintain the Sunday "scouting" event for due diligence reasons, and for
>>>>>>> future option reasons!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> // Matt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> p.s. Note that time is crucial because other folks (including some
>>>>>>> we bumped into while on tour) are also looking at these spaces, and with
>>>>>>> the first of the month approaching, it is in the property manager's best
>>>>>>> interest to move folks in soon.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Eddie A Tejeda
>>>>>>
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