We can post locations we find here: <a href="http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/">http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/</a><br><br>We need at least address, phone, details from each property.<br><br>You can use the web form on the site, send an email to <a href="mailto:info@sudoroom.org">info@sudoroom.org</a>, or simply tweet @sudroom or #sudoroom.<br>
<br>I'm going to send a text to my twitter account to tweet @sudoroom, which we'll be able to pull into crowd map later.<br><br>You can also attach pictures and video. We can export everything as a CSV later.<br><br>
// Matt<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Marina Kukso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com" target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi friends,<div><br></div><div>looking forward to seeing all of you at 2PM at oscar grant plaza for our scouting session. bring your bikes and phones as we might be using crowdmap to share what we find as we scout.</div><div>
<br></div><div>i've also tried to distill some of the main questions, comments, and concerns from everyone's emails on this space and placed them on the riseup pad (<a href="https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom" target="_blank">https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom</a>). feel free to add more questions/comments/concerns, answer any questions, respond to any of the raised points, and continue discussing.</div>
<div><br></div><div>if you have any trouble accessing the pad, here are the notes i added:</div><div><br></div><div>Questions:<div>- When does the decision have to be made by?</div><div>- How would it work to start with one space and move into others?</div>
<div>- Does the room itself have a separate door/lock from the front door?</div><div>- Can everyone have keys to the front entrance and/or to the room itself?</div><div>- How big is the classroom?</div><div>- It was mentioned that the classroom is available for anyone to use. How does the signup for the classroom work? How early do you have to book it? Does it have a separate key, etc?</div>
<div>- What would happen with tech liminal - would we continue to have meetings there? Relatedly, how long can we continue to meet at tech liminal while we look for a permanent place?</div><div>- Who will be on the contract? <br>
<div><br></div><div>Concerns:</div><div>- Too expensive per sq ft?</div><div>- Is it worth it to spend money on a temporary space for 2 months? Would it be better to save money and stay in tech liminal until a better space comes along?</div>
<div>- Is it too small to be practical?</div><div>- If spaces in this building come up for rent often (and the manager is flexible and allows month to month rent on them frequently), how urgent is it to move on this particular spot?</div>
<div> - One issue to consider here is that the front room may not come up for rent often - there are a number of rooms in this building, but only one that faces the street. (MK)</div><div>- Governance, membership, and financial issues will need to be resolved ASAP if we agree to move forward with the space.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Comments:</div><div>- Good location</div><div><div> - Two of the spaces in the building are accessible - questions about accessibility the upstairs office space.</div><div> - Near BART</div>
<div> - Lots of foot traffic in this neighborhood</div><div> - Creative neighbors may provide opportunities for cross-pollination</div><div>- Low initial capital investment</div><div>- Street-facing room allows for signage/other creative recruitment mechanisms.</div>
<div> - The "box office" room is not itself a storefront; there is a small foyer in the building with nothing in it. However, the "box office" does have a large window that opens into the foyer and is visible from the street. I think there are many opportunities for utilizing that window and folks are already discussing possibilities for eye-catching and awesome recruitment mechanisms. (MK)</div>
<div>- Flexibility of rental contract is a positive.</div></div><div>- Landlord is friendly to the project.</div><div>- Landlord is flexible in terms of rooms rented - many possibilities for moving into additional spaces (building has a variety of spaces that are more/less conducive to solitary, collaborative, and other modes of work). Landlord is open to providing discounts on additional spaces once first space is rented.</div>
<div>- Shared classroom space is little-used and available for all tenants.</div><div>- Space has wifi and landlord is open to possibly wiring it in the future</div><div><div><div>- The small size of the room can be an advantage instead of a disadvantage. It will make it easier to maintain a "hub of activity" feeling with fewer people, and the image of several hackers seen through the window trying to fit into the room will make the case demonstratively that we need a bigger room.</div>
<div class="im">
<div>- The curb in front of the building is zoned for 2 spots for loading and unloading - this may be useful for setting up a way to receive donations of hardware in a spot easily accessible to the public.</div></div><div>
- Existence of a space is likely to increase interest and bring in new sudoers</div>
</div><div>- Existence of a space creates "facts on the ground" that will energize and motivate existing sudoers to maintain it.</div></div></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Marina Kukso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com" target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">michael and i actually were wondering what the situation was with that building as we checked out 2135 broadway today. it's seemed empty for at least a couple years (i've never seen anything but the current posters there). the kapor center site says that they plan to move in in 2013...<div>
<br></div><div>also, while we're on the topic of neighbors of 2135, to the right of 2135 is a psychic. to the right of the psychic (with the tile mosaic entryway) is the separate entrance to the upstairs part of 2135 (this is the entrance for the upstairs double office - option #3 in matt's original email). to the right of that is a currently empty spot that will have a new organization moving in starting in june: the sound room (bay area jazz and arts) <a href="http://secondsaturdaysalon.com/" target="_blank">http://secondsaturdaysalon.com/</a>. the sound room is also somehow partnered with the space directly to the left of 2135 - 2131 broadway (the papered-up space all the way on the left in this streetview: <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24" target="_blank">https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24</a>). 2131 had an art show yesterday as part of art murmur. this is listed as a sound room event on the sound room site: "Art show featuring Faultline ArtSpace will be held at 2131 Broadway - in the same building as our space but on the adjacent corner." however, by today everything at 2131 was packed up and empty, so it's not clear what the situation is with 2131.</div>
<div><br></div><div>either way, it looks like the spot will have interesting neighbors moving in soon, and potentially folks we would want to get in touch with (at the very least because of the surprising resonances between our organizations' names: sudo room/sound room)</div>
<span><font color="#888888">
<div><br></div><div>- marina</div></font></span><div><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Eddan Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
It turns out the neighbors directly across the street from 2135
Broadway will be the future home of the Kapor Center
(<a href="http://www.kaporcenter.org/" target="_blank">http://www.kaporcenter.org/</a>). Or they may already have some
offices set up in there? I haven't seen anyone come in or out when
I've passed by. Does anyone know anything about that? <br><div><div>
<br>
<br>
On 6/2/12 9:03 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
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<p>Well we are the hackers. We will be the ones using it. The most
important part is that wherever we go, we hack in there. Aq</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 2, 2012 8:53 AM, "Eddan Katz" <<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div>Regarding Tech Liminal, it was my understanding that we
still wanted to have meetings there and that this is a
temporary (6-month) initiative to formulate aspects of
SudoRoom's identity not as easily developed from those
meetings at Tech Liminal.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also, I think it worthwhile mentioning that the curb in
front of the building is zoned for 2 spots for loading and
unloading - this may be useful for setting up a way to
receive donations of hardware in a spot easily accessible
to the public.</div>
<div><br>
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On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Eddan Katz <<a href="mailto:eddan@oaklandlocal.com" target="_blank">eddan@oaklandlocal.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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</div>
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<div>
<div>I think we should put a big sign on the window of
the office facing the street (bullet-proof, as the
manager mentioned) that says:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"Help us get a bigger: <a href="http://SudoRoom.org" target="_blank">SudoRoom.org</a>". </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>With the placement of the sign along people's walk
home from the BART to the lake - I can imagine getting
our money back, renting more practical space in that
building and then some, imho. The image of several
hackers seen through the window trying to fit into the
room will make the case demonstratively that we need a
bigger room.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For those who have seen the place, I can think of
no better space that evokes the name - Sudo Room.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>[constraints are the canvas of creativity]</div>
<div><br>
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728-5800</a></div>
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On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "Patrik D'haeseleer" <<a href="mailto:patrikd@gmail.com" target="_blank">patrikd@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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</div>
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<div>On the other hand - what do we really gain by
renting a temporary 150 sq ft room, that we couldn't
get at TechLiminal for free? Place to leave stuff
lying around? Is 150 sq ft even big enough to fit us
all?<br>
<br>
As long as Anca is happy to host us (and I think
having the extra traffic is probably a good thing
for TechLiminal) I don't see a good reason to spend
our small amount of funds on a separate room that we
don't truly need and that would only be a temporary
fix anyway. I'd say let's spend some of that money
on Anca, and stay at Techliminal at least until we
find something more permanent..<br>
<br>
Also, as soon as we start paying rent on a monthly
basis, we need to get serious about monthly paying
memberships as well. But so far we haven't done much
to make people eager to pay for a membership. <br>
<br>
Besides, if this guy really has lots of spaces and
they come up for rent often, there really isn't any
need to jump on whatever he has available right now.
I'm sure he'll have some other spaces open next
month as well.<br>
<br>
Patrik<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:57
PM, Jenny Ryan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jenny@thepyre.org" target="_blank">jenny@thepyre.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Matt, and also Eddan & Timon - thanks for
moving on this! I think this could be a
fantastic initial space for Sudo Room..<br>
<br>
Location is great, though 150 square feet is
absurdly small. How big is the classroom we
could use?<br>
<br>
Overpriced for the size, imho, but the
visibility we could definitely work wrt outreach
for the group... though with the rest of the
building's amenities available to us, might be a
good bet. <br>
<br>
Would love to meet on Saturday, though would
have to be early afternoon for me to make it
(send-off party for our yurt builder &
current resident, Morten, in our garden on
Saturday starting around 4! email me if you'd
like to come :)<br>
<br clear="all">
Jenny<br>
<a href="http://jennyryan.net/" target="_blank">http://jennyryan.net</a><br>
<a href="http://thepyre.org/" target="_blank">http://thepyre.org</a><br>
<a href="http://thevirtualcampfire.org/" target="_blank">http://thevirtualcampfire.org</a><br>
<a href="http://technomadic.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">http://technomadic.tumblr.com</a><br>
<br>
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`<br>
<div>
"Technology is the campfire around which we
tell our stories."<br>
-Laurie Anderson<br>
<br>
"Storytelling reveals meaning without
committing the error of defining it."<br>
-Hannah Arendt<br>
<br>
"To define is to kill. To suggest is to
create."<br>
-Stéphane Mallarmé<br>
~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`</div>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div>On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Eddie A
Tejeda <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddie.tejeda@gmail.com" target="_blank">eddie.tejeda@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
Matt.. thanks for leading this. I think
this is a great opportunity. If I
understand this correctly, there are
multiple spaces available and we can start
with one and move into other ones as
needed? If that's the case I think it
makes perfect sense to start with the
smaller space and grow as needed.<br>
<br>
I also this it's a cool location. When do
you need to make the decision by?<br>
<br>
--<br>
Eddie A Tejeda<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>
<div>On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:48 PM,
Matthew Senate <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com" target="_blank">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Howdy Folks,<br>
<br>
We've been in search of a space.
There are lots of options, and
bigger, brighter futures rest on the
horizon.<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
On Weds, Eddan found this listing on
craigslist: <a href="http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3036298243.html" target="_blank">http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3036298243.html</a>
seen here: <a href="https://mapsgoogle.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24" target="_blank">https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24</a>
<div>
<br>
<br>
I gave George, the property manager, a
call. I had seen some other offices in
his space months before, he has lots
of spaces and they come up for rent
often. All month-to-month contracts,
and a lease if we really want one He
said he was available today at 3pm. I
showed up and Eddan and Timon joined
in.
<div>
<br>
<br>
We saw three offices. I have
photographs stored on a proprietary
memory device and will retrieve them
ASAP upon apprehension of the proper
cable.<br>
<br>
1. $500 / month 350 sq ft - The
LISTED ROOM - has WiFi access, on
the ground floor, outlets, lights.
It is a good deal for the size, but
it is not very close to the street.
One must walk through a hallway,
through a half-office, and down
another hallway (all disability
accessible) to get to it. This is
not bad, just a bit removed from
public view.<br>
<br>
2. $400 / month (no exact measure,
but about 150 sq. ft). - The BOX
OFFICE (calling it that for short).
Has a window, is just a few feet
inside public-facing street-level
doors in the same area as the LISTED
ROOM. Also has WiFi Access. Sits
directly outside a shared building
"classroom" area available to all
renters, just sign up ahead of time.
If we rent the BOX OFFICE, we can
occasionally use the LISTED ROOM
while it's open<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>3. $350 / month (no exact
measure, but no bigger than 400 sq
ft) - The DOUBLE OFFICE is upstairs,
at the very top of the entrance
steps. It has access to an unused,
common "reception" area that would
be available for our usage. It has
cable and wifi internet access. The
DOUBLE OFFICE includes two offices
that are connected, side-by-side.
The rear door has<br>
<br>
All rooms have access to the
"classroom" area on the ground
floor, just need to sign up as
described above. The building just
got faster WIFI service provided by
<a href="http://Sonic.net" target="_blank">Sonic.net</a>
installed recently. George is
interested in providing line-access
to internet in all ground floor
offices in the future, we could also
do this ourselves he offered. <br>
<br>
Also, we can potentially rent
multiple of these spaces, or move
from one to other available spaces
in the building at a later time. <br>
<br>
In order to move forward with this
space (and not to lose footing), I
have a proposal:<br>
<br>
<b>Sudo Room should consider
"dipping" it's toe into the BOX
OFFICE space (no. 2 above) by
investing a portion of our
fund-raiser funds of $200 first
month (50% off for move-in), $400
obligatory for last month (which
can be july if we wish), and a
redeemable $400 deposit--at a
grand total of $1,000, lasting to
at least July</b>. This would only
commit us to two months in the
space, the first month of which
(June) we can sort out all the
precise governance, tax, and income
issues, by consensus, in order to
move forward (remain, expand, or
move) with this space and our
future!<br>
<br>
I propose we hold a discussion on
this email thread, use our other
online tools, convene an in-person
meetup on Saturday (anywhere that's
available), consider all the issues
and list them on the wiki, convene
briefly again on Sunday with whoever
can make the "scout session" (still
on), and plan to move forward on
Monday having begun due diligence to
consider if we have the blessings of
our community!<br>
<br>
Please add notes in reply to this
thread, on this pad (for anonymous
communication too): <a href="https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom" target="_blank">https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom</a>
and ultimately we'll put everything
on the Wiki on Saturday to sort out
by Monday. <br>
<br>
On clarifying note: it seems to me
that it would be prudent to maintain
the Sunday "scouting" event for due
diligence reasons, and for future
option reasons!<br>
<br>
// Matt<br>
<br>
p.s. Note that time is crucial
because other folks (including some
we bumped into while on tour) are
also looking at these spaces, and
with the first of the month
approaching, it is in the property
manager's best interest to move
folks in soon. <br>
<br>
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