[sudoroom] CRITICAL Update for 2135 broadway, Oakland, CA

Wed Jun 6 02:55:48 CEST 2012

Can we also celebrate tomorrow during normal Sudo Room meeting times? Maybe
we can all walk down there? If you have the keys/ access perhaps we can
check it out? :)

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:

>  Hey there Sudo people.
>
> I dropped by the 2135 Broadway building and saw the owner George at 3
> (he's always there at 3pm apparently) to see if there was any update on
> some of the offices. Apparently, the empty office out front was just
> secured by someone and the first floor room (near common area) was also
> just snatched up.
>
> I did not want to lose this opportunity at this location, though it does
> seem like there's a lot of turnover in the building. Given that we're in
> the first week of June already, George was willing to waive the month of
> June rent. So I decided to put a deposit down on several of the rooms - the
> "box office"; the orange closet (near the common area) and the upstairs
> offices that Matt previously described.
>
> We negotiated down to $575 for the box office and the orange closet
> combined [I wrote him a check for $1,150]. Separately, he was willing to
> rent the office #1 next to the reception upstairs for $300/month. [I wrote
> him a check for $600].
>
> Regardless of the collective Sudo Room decision on the space, I thought
> with sharing just a couple offices with some of you folks in strategic
> locations, we could then use the common areas for meetings, conferences,
> classes, with a waiting/reception area as well as the box office room.
>
> If anyone wants to join me at 6:15pm at 2135 Broadway, it would be great
> to get a chance to celebrate over some beers nearby.
>
> -Eddan
>
>
>
> On 6/3/12 1:55 PM, Matthew Senate wrote:
>
> We can post locations we find here: http://hackerspaces.crowdmap.com/
>
> We need at least address, phone, details from each property.
>
> You can use the web form on the site, send an email to info at sudoroom.org,
> or simply tweet @sudroom or #sudoroom.
>
> I'm going to send a text to my twitter account to tweet @sudoroom, which
> we'll be able to pull into crowd map later.
>
> You can also attach pictures and video. We can export everything as a CSV
> later.
>
> // Matt
>
> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi friends,
>>
>>  looking forward to seeing all of you at 2PM at oscar grant plaza for
>> our scouting session. bring your bikes and phones as we might be using
>> crowdmap to share what we find as we scout.
>>
>>  i've also tried to distill some of the main questions, comments, and
>> concerns from everyone's emails on this space and placed them on the riseup
>> pad (https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom). feel free to add more
>> questions/comments/concerns, answer any questions, respond to any of the
>> raised points, and continue discussing.
>>
>>  if you have any trouble accessing the pad, here are the notes i added:
>>
>>  Questions:
>> - When does the decision have to be made by?
>> - How would it work to start with one space and move into others?
>> - Does the room itself have a separate door/lock from the front door?
>> - Can everyone have keys to the front entrance and/or to the room itself?
>> - How big is the classroom?
>> - It was mentioned that the classroom is available for anyone to use. How
>> does the signup for the classroom work? How early do you have to book it?
>> Does it have a separate key, etc?
>> - What would happen with tech liminal - would we continue to have
>> meetings there? Relatedly, how long can we continue to meet at tech liminal
>> while we look for a permanent place?
>> - Who will be on the contract?
>>
>>  Concerns:
>> - Too expensive per sq ft?
>> - Is it worth it to spend money on a temporary space for 2 months? Would
>> it be better to save money and stay in tech liminal until a better space
>> comes along?
>> - Is it too small to be practical?
>> - If spaces in this building come up for rent often (and the manager is
>> flexible and allows month to month rent on them frequently), how urgent is
>> it to move on this particular spot?
>>     - One issue to consider here is that the front room may not come up
>> for rent often - there are a number of rooms in this building, but only one
>> that faces the street. (MK)
>> - Governance, membership, and financial issues will need to be resolved
>> ASAP if we agree to move forward with the space.
>>
>>
>>  Comments:
>> - Good location
>>      - Two of the spaces in the building are accessible - questions
>> about accessibility the upstairs office space.
>>     - Near BART
>>     - Lots of foot traffic in this neighborhood
>>     - Creative neighbors may provide opportunities for cross-pollination
>> - Low initial capital investment
>> - Street-facing room allows for signage/other creative recruitment
>> mechanisms.
>>     - The "box office" room is not itself a storefront; there is a small
>> foyer in the building with nothing in it. However, the "box office" does
>> have a large window that opens into the foyer and is visible from the
>> street. I think there are many opportunities for utilizing that window and
>> folks are already discussing possibilities for eye-catching and awesome
>> recruitment mechanisms. (MK)
>> - Flexibility of rental contract is a positive.
>>  - Landlord is friendly to the project.
>> - Landlord is flexible in terms of rooms rented - many possibilities for
>> moving into additional spaces (building has a variety of spaces that are
>> more/less conducive to solitary, collaborative, and other modes of work).
>> Landlord is open to providing discounts on additional spaces once first
>> space is rented.
>> - Shared classroom space is little-used and available for all tenants.
>> - Space has wifi and landlord is open to possibly wiring it in the future
>>  - The small size of the room can be an advantage instead of a
>> disadvantage. It will make it easier to maintain a "hub of activity"
>> feeling with fewer people, and the image of several hackers seen through
>> the window trying to fit into the room will make the case demonstratively
>> that we need a bigger room.
>>  - The curb in front of the building is zoned for 2 spots for loading
>> and unloading - this may be useful for setting up a way to receive
>> donations of hardware in a spot easily accessible to the public.
>>  - Existence of a space is likely to increase interest and bring in new
>> sudoers
>>  - Existence of a space creates "facts on the ground" that will energize
>> and motivate existing sudoers to maintain it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Marina Kukso <marina.kukso at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> michael and i actually were wondering what the situation was with that
>>> building as we checked out 2135 broadway today. it's seemed empty for at
>>> least a couple years (i've never seen anything but the current posters
>>> there). the kapor center site says that they plan to move in in 2013...
>>>
>>>  also, while we're on the topic of neighbors of 2135, to the right of
>>> 2135 is a psychic. to the right of the psychic (with the tile mosaic
>>> entryway) is the separate entrance to the upstairs part of 2135 (this is
>>> the entrance for the upstairs double office - option #3 in matt's original
>>> email). to the right of that is a currently empty spot that will have a new
>>> organization moving in starting in june: the sound room (bay area jazz and
>>> arts) http://secondsaturdaysalon.com/. the sound room is also somehow
>>> partnered with the space directly to the left of 2135 - 2131 broadway (the
>>> papered-up space all the way on the left in this streetview:
>>> https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24).
>>> 2131 had an art show yesterday as part of art murmur. this is listed as a
>>> sound room event on the sound room site: "Art show featuring  Faultline
>>> ArtSpace will be held at 2131 Broadway - in the same building as our space
>>> but on the adjacent corner." however, by today everything at 2131 was
>>> packed up and empty, so it's not clear what the situation is with 2131.
>>>
>>>  either way, it looks like the spot will have interesting neighbors
>>> moving in soon, and potentially folks we would want to get in touch with
>>> (at the very least because of the surprising resonances between our
>>> organizations' names: sudo room/sound room)
>>>
>>>  - marina
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  It turns out the neighbors directly across the street from 2135
>>>> Broadway will be the future home of the Kapor Center (
>>>> http://www.kaporcenter.org/).  Or they may already have some offices
>>>> set up in there? I haven't seen anyone come in or out when I've passed by.
>>>> Does anyone know anything about that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/2/12 9:03 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well we are the hackers. We will be the ones using it. The most
>>>> important part is that wherever we go, we hack in there. Aq
>>>> On Jun 2, 2012 8:53 AM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Regarding Tech Liminal, it was my understanding that we still wanted
>>>>> to have meetings there and that this is a temporary (6-month) initiative to
>>>>> formulate aspects of SudoRoom's identity not as easily developed from those
>>>>> meetings at Tech Liminal.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Also, I think it worthwhile mentioning that the curb in front of the
>>>>> building is zoned for 2 spots for loading and unloading - this may be
>>>>> useful for setting up a way to receive donations of hardware in a spot
>>>>> easily accessible to the public.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800 <%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   I think we should put a big sign on the window of the office facing
>>>>> the street (bullet-proof, as the manager mentioned) that says:
>>>>>
>>>>>  "Help us get a bigger: SudoRoom.org".
>>>>>
>>>>>  With the placement of the sign along people's walk home from the
>>>>> BART to the lake - I can imagine getting our money back, renting more
>>>>> practical space in that building and then some, imho. The image of several
>>>>> hackers seen through the window trying to fit into the room will make the
>>>>> case demonstratively that we need a bigger room.
>>>>>
>>>>>  For those who have seen the place, I can think of no better space
>>>>> that evokes the name - Sudo Room.
>>>>>
>>>>>  [constraints are the canvas of creativity]
>>>>>
>>>>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800 <%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 1, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "Patrik D'haeseleer" <patrikd at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  On the other hand - what do we really gain by renting a temporary
>>>>> 150 sq ft room, that we couldn't get at TechLiminal for free? Place to
>>>>> leave stuff lying around? Is 150 sq ft even big enough to fit us all?
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as Anca is happy to host us (and I think having the extra
>>>>> traffic is probably a good thing for TechLiminal) I don't see a good reason
>>>>> to spend our small amount of funds on a separate room that we don't truly
>>>>> need and that would only be a temporary fix anyway. I'd say let's spend
>>>>> some of that money on Anca, and stay at Techliminal at least until we find
>>>>> something more permanent..
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, as soon as we start paying rent on a monthly basis, we need to
>>>>> get serious about monthly paying memberships as well. But so far we haven't
>>>>> done much to make people eager to pay for a membership.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, if this guy really has lots of spaces and they come up for
>>>>> rent often, there really isn't any need to jump on whatever he has
>>>>> available right now. I'm sure he'll have some other spaces open next month
>>>>> as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrik
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Jenny Ryan <jenny at thepyre.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt, and also Eddan & Timon - thanks for moving on this! I think
>>>>>> this could be a fantastic initial space for Sudo Room..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Location is great, though 150 square feet is absurdly small. How big
>>>>>> is the classroom we could use?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Overpriced for the size, imho, but the visibility we could definitely
>>>>>> work wrt outreach for the group... though with the rest of the building's
>>>>>> amenities available to us, might be a good bet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would love to meet on Saturday, though would have to be early
>>>>>> afternoon for me to make it (send-off party for our yurt builder & current
>>>>>> resident, Morten, in our garden on Saturday starting around 4! email me if
>>>>>> you'd like to come :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>> http://jennyryan.net
>>>>>> http://thepyre.org
>>>>>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>>>>>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>>>  "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>>>>>> -Laurie Anderson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of
>>>>>> defining it."
>>>>>>  -Hannah Arendt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>>>>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>>>>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Eddie A Tejeda <
>>>>>> eddie.tejeda at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Matt.. thanks for leading this. I think this is a great
>>>>>>> opportunity. If I understand this correctly, there are multiple spaces
>>>>>>> available and we can start with one and move into other ones as needed? If
>>>>>>> that's the case I think it makes perfect sense to start with the smaller
>>>>>>> space and grow as needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also this it's a cool location. When do you need to make the
>>>>>>> decision by?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Eddie A Tejeda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Matthew Senate <
>>>>>>> mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Howdy Folks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We've been in search of a space. There are lots of options, and
>>>>>>>> bigger, brighter futures rest on the horizon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On Weds, Eddan found this listing on craigslist:
>>>>>>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/3036298243.html seen here:
>>>>>>>> https://maps.google.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24<https://mapsgoogle.com/?q=loc:+Broadway+at+22nd+Street+Oakland+CA+US&ll=37.810827,-122.26721&spn=0.003458,0.005284&hnear=Broadway+%26+22nd+St,+Oakland,+Alameda,+California+94612&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.810651,-122.267318&panoid=VXpIKY0QFTgDutXU5EfIag&cbp=12,284.7,,0,11.24>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I gave George, the property manager, a call. I had seen some other
>>>>>>>> offices in his space months before, he has lots of spaces and they come up
>>>>>>>> for rent often. All month-to-month contracts, and a lease if we really want
>>>>>>>> one He said he was available today at 3pm. I showed up and Eddan and Timon
>>>>>>>> joined in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We saw three offices. I have photographs stored on a proprietary
>>>>>>>> memory device and will retrieve them ASAP upon apprehension of the proper
>>>>>>>> cable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. $500 / month 350 sq ft - The LISTED ROOM - has WiFi access, on
>>>>>>>> the ground floor, outlets, lights. It is a good deal for the size, but it
>>>>>>>> is not very close to the street. One must walk through a hallway, through a
>>>>>>>> half-office, and down another hallway (all disability accessible) to get to
>>>>>>>> it. This is not bad, just a bit removed from public view.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. $400 / month (no exact measure, but about 150 sq. ft). - The BOX
>>>>>>>> OFFICE (calling it that for short). Has a window, is just a few feet inside
>>>>>>>> public-facing  street-level doors in the same area as the LISTED ROOM. Also
>>>>>>>> has WiFi Access. Sits directly outside a shared building "classroom" area
>>>>>>>> available to all renters, just sign up ahead of time. If we rent the BOX
>>>>>>>> OFFICE, we can occasionally use the LISTED ROOM while it's open
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  3. $350 / month (no exact measure, but no bigger than 400 sq ft)
>>>>>>>> - The DOUBLE OFFICE is upstairs, at the very top of the entrance steps. It
>>>>>>>> has access to an unused, common "reception" area that would be available
>>>>>>>> for our usage. It has cable and wifi internet access. The DOUBLE OFFICE
>>>>>>>> includes two offices that are connected, side-by-side. The rear door has
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All rooms have access to the "classroom" area on the ground floor,
>>>>>>>> just need to sign up as described above. The building just got faster WIFI
>>>>>>>> service provided by Sonic.net installed recently. George is
>>>>>>>> interested in providing line-access to internet in all ground floor offices
>>>>>>>> in the future, we could also do this ourselves he offered.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, we can potentially rent multiple of these spaces, or move
>>>>>>>> from one to other available spaces in the building at a later time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In order to move forward with this space (and not to lose footing),
>>>>>>>> I have a proposal:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sudo Room should consider "dipping" it's toe into the BOX OFFICE
>>>>>>>> space (no. 2 above) by investing a portion of our fund-raiser funds of $200
>>>>>>>> first month (50% off for move-in), $400 obligatory for last month (which
>>>>>>>> can be july if we wish), and a redeemable $400 deposit--at a grand total of
>>>>>>>> $1,000, lasting to at least July*. This would only commit us to
>>>>>>>> two months in the space, the first month of which (June) we can sort out
>>>>>>>> all the precise governance, tax, and income issues, by consensus, in order
>>>>>>>> to move forward (remain, expand, or move) with this space and our future!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I propose we hold a discussion on this email thread, use our other
>>>>>>>> online tools, convene an in-person meetup on Saturday (anywhere that's
>>>>>>>> available), consider all the issues and list them on the wiki, convene
>>>>>>>> briefly again on Sunday with whoever can make the "scout session" (still
>>>>>>>> on), and plan to move forward on Monday having begun due diligence to
>>>>>>>> consider if we have the blessings of our community!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please add notes in reply to this thread, on this pad (for
>>>>>>>> anonymous communication too): https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroomand ultimately we'll put everything on the Wiki on Saturday to sort out by
>>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On clarifying note: it seems to me that it would be prudent to
>>>>>>>> maintain the Sunday "scouting" event for due diligence reasons, and for
>>>>>>>> future option reasons!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> // Matt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> p.s. Note that time is crucial because other folks (including some
>>>>>>>> we bumped into while on tour) are also looking at these spaces, and with
>>>>>>>> the first of the month approaching, it is in the property manager's best
>>>>>>>> interest to move folks in soon.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Eddie A Tejeda
>>>>>>>
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