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Wed May 18 18:04:20 CEST 2016

Lol wow
On May 18, 2016 6:18 AM, "Michael Turner" <michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com>
wrote:

> "A few were wild successes. Like the 3d printed telescope."
>
> Open Space Agency's Ultrascope? Very pretty website. But still no complete
> instructions for making your own robotically controlled telescope, from
> start to finish.
>
> "Wild success"? No, it could still fall apart. Since they've only released
> the manual for the 3D printing and the laser cutting, and there are quite a
> few more instruction manuals to go, it looks to me like the chances of the
> project falling apart are not exactly zero.
>
> Also, what was promised? A robotic telescope that would be significantly
> cheaper than a commercial model of the same capability. That's also in
> question, from what I see in the forum. The answer seems to be, if you made
> large batches of parts, you'd be OK on cost per telescope. Um, but what was
> the question again? Oh yeah: can you make your own robotic telescope much
> cheaper than buying what's on the market?
>
> The answer to that question is NOT, "Yes, if you make hundreds of kits,
> exploiting economies of scale in parts production, then sell all but one of
> the kits." Then you're running a business, in a competitive market, with no
> brand power for marketing purposes, no track record as a reliable product
> supplier. Good luck with that. Here's a way to cut your costs if you want
> to try anyway: revise the design so that you can use standard plastic
> injection molding, not 3D printing, for the plastic parts you're making in
> big batches for your customers' kits. Much cheaper. Much faster. But now
> you've got a kit to sell with no need for hackerspace equipment -- maybe
> the buyer only needs a screwdriver. Is someone really going to invest 200+
> hours in 3D printing (which for them might also require investing in a 3D
> printer) when they can get a cheap kit in the mail containing
> injection-molded parts, shipped to them in a fraction of the printing time?
>
> "Wild success"? No, I'd say the jury is still out, deliberating on this
> one. They've been in that room for a long time, too ....
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Michael Turner
> Executive Director
> Project Persephone
> K-1 bldg 3F
> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682
> turner at projectpersephone.org
> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>
> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward
> together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:36 AM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It was a giant mess we had very little experience. I didn't run it. I
>> dumped the project on a friend who used to work at DarPA. But by and large
>> it was fun. Most projects were failures but that's probably expected. A few
>> were wild successes. Like the 3d printed telescope. Getting  the government
>> to sponsor makerspaces is critical to imementation of the singularity. I'm
>> interestsd  in trying again with a new agency. Talking to uscg this time.
>> On May 16, 2016 10:51 AM, "gmc" <gmc at hackerspaces.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Yay, drama. It's what hackers are best at! Bye bye mailing list.
>>>
>>> On 16 May 2016 18:26:04 CEST, Michael Turner <
>>> michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:55 AM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually we took the DarPA money and the project was a great success.
>>>>> Www.spacegambit.Com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A great success for some people, I suppose.  In a certain sense.
>>>>
>>>> I pick a project at random.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.spacegambit.org/satstatsim/
>>>>
>>>> Funding: $20,000
>>>>
>>>> SpaceGAMBIT claim: only open source projects will be funded.
>>>>
>>>> Reality: well, ta! ke a look.
>>>>
>>>>   http://satstatsim.blogspot.jp/
>>>>
>>>> Excuse: "schedules slip". OK, but you can't check in any code, anywhere?
>>>>
>>>>   https://code.google.com/archive/p/satstatsim/source
>>>>
>>>> At least, that's the only repo I could find.
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing in it.
>>>>
>>>> It was largely because of my concerns about openness, clear
>>>> communication, democratic process, and leadership accountability that I
>>>> decided to have nothing further to do with SpaceGAMBIT. This was after
>>>> feeling enthusiastic about it and even defending it against what I thought
>>>> was unfair criticism.
>>>>
>>>> Really, I'd prefer to have been wrong in my suspicions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Michael Turner
>>>> Executive Director
>>>> Project Persephone
>>>> K-1 bldg 3F
>>>> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>>> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>>> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
>>>> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
>>>> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682
>>>> turner at projectpersephone.org
>>>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>>
>>>> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward
>>>> together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, May 16, 2016, Michael P Weber II <michaelweberii at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 3:05 AM, Michael Turner
>>>>>> <michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > Whether intentional or not, the choice of watercress could be very
>>>>>> > space-relevant.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > (1) Biosphere II saw the direct participation of the late Roy
>>>>>> Walford, MD, a
>>>>>> > pioneer self-experimenter in CRON (calorie restriction with optimal
>>>>>> > nutrition) as a strategy for life extension. This research
>>>>>> interested the
>>>>>> > Biosphere II organizers because, in feeding long-duration space
>>>>>> mission
>>>>>> > participants, fewer calories eaten means, to a good first
>>>>>> approximation,
>>>>>> > less mass for the ecological life support system, leading to lower
>>>>>> mission
>>>>>> > cost, etc.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > (2) Research into how CRON appears to increase lifespans (in part by
>>>>>> > reducing cancer risk -- a big issue in space travel because of space
>>>>>> > radiation) reveals that it's more about protein restriction than
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> > calorie restriction per se.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > (3) Further research has suggested that it's specifically reduction
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> > methionine intake that is the main driver of life extension in CRON
>>>>>> (hence,
>>>>>> > presumably, lower cancer risk);
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > (4) High-glycine diets sop up excess methionine. (To be sure:
>>>>>> methionine is
>>>>>> > an essential amino acid; glycine is not. But it seems that with
>>>>>> methionine,
>>>>>> > you can get too much of a good thing.)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > (5) Watercress is very high in glycine, quite low in methionine.
>>>>>> Watercress
>>>>>> > might be ideal for offsetting the cancer risks from space radiation
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> > long-duration space missions.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I think a good next step in such work would be to try to optimize
>>>>>> watercress
>>>>>> > production in an aeroponic rather than a hydroponic style.
>>>>>> Hydroponics is
>>>>>> > great, highly productive, but ... water is heavy. Aeroponics can
>>>>>> give you
>>>>>> > much of the benefit of hydroponics but with a fraction of the
>>>>>> equipment
>>>>>> > mass. Aeroponics should be more adaptable to low-g and microgravity
>>>>>> > environments since it's not gravity-dependent -- it's basically
>>>>>> just the
>>>>>> > deposition of nutrient-enriched mist droplets on plant roots.
>>>>>> Aeroponics may
>>>>>> > have gotten its start from NASA funding.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>>> > Michael Turner
>>>>>> > Executive Director
>>>>>> > Project Persephone
>>>>>> > K-1 bldg 3F
>>>>>> > 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>>>>> > Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>>>>> > Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
>>>>>> > Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
>>>>>> > Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682
>>>>>> > turner at projectpersephone.org
>>>>>> > http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking
>>>>>> outward
>>>>>> > together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Michael Turner
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you going to take over the list then?
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