<p dir="ltr">Lol wow</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 18, 2016 6:18 AM, "Michael Turner" <<a href="mailto:michael.eugene.turner@gmail.com">michael.eugene.turner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">"<span style="font-size:12.8px">A few were wild successes. Like the 3d printed </span><span style="font-size:12.8px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">telescope</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">."<br><br>Open Space Agency's Ultrascope? Very pretty website. But still no complete instructions for making your own robotically controlled telescope, from start to finish.<br><br>"Wild success"? No, it could still fall apart. Since they've only released the manual for the 3D printing and the laser cutting, and there are quite a few more instruction manuals to go, it looks to me like the chances of the project falling apart are not exactly zero.<br><br>Also, what was promised? A robotic telescope that would be significantly cheaper than a commercial model of the same capability. That's also in question, from what I see in the forum. The answer seems to be, if you made large batches of parts, you'd be OK on cost per telescope. Um, but what was the question again? Oh yeah: can you make your own robotic telescope much cheaper than buying what's on the market?<br><br>The answer to that question is NOT, "Yes, if you make hundreds of kits, exploiting economies of scale in parts production, then sell all but one of the kits." Then you're running a business, in a competitive market, with no brand power for marketing purposes, no track record as a reliable product supplier. Good luck with that. Here's a way to cut your costs if you want to try anyway: revise the design so that you can use standard plastic injection molding, not 3D printing, for the plastic parts you're making in big batches for your customers' kits. Much cheaper. Much faster. But now you've got a kit to sell with no need for hackerspace equipment -- maybe the buyer only needs a screwdriver. Is someone really going to invest 200+ hours in 3D printing (which for them might also require investing in a 3D printer) when they can get a cheap kit in the mail containing injection-molded parts, shipped to them in a fraction of the printing time?<br><br>"Wild success"? No, I'd say the jury is still out, deliberating on this one. They've been in that room for a long time, too ....<br><br><br></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div>Regards,<br>Michael Turner<br>Executive Director<br>Project Persephone<br>K-1 bldg 3F<br>7-2-6 Nishishinjuku<br>Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023<br>Tel: <a href="tel:%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1140" value="+81368901140" target="_blank">+81 (3) 6890-1140</a><br>Fax: <a href="tel:%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1158" value="+81368901158" target="_blank">+81 (3) 6890-1158</a><br>Mobile: <a href="tel:%2B81%20%2890%29%205203-8682" value="+819052038682" target="_blank">+81 (90) 5203-8682</a><br><a href="mailto:turner@projectpersephone.org" target="_blank">turner@projectpersephone.org</a><br><a href="http://www.projectpersephone.org/" target="_blank">http://www.projectpersephone.org/</a><br><br>"Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry</div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:36 AM, cole santos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cksantos85@gmail.com" target="_blank">cksantos85@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">It was a giant mess we had very little experience. I didn't run it. I dumped the project on a friend who used to work at DarPA. But by and large it was fun. Most projects were failures but that's probably expected. A few were wild successes. Like the 3d printed telescope. Getting the government to sponsor makerspaces is critical to imementation of the singularity. I'm interestsd in trying again with a new agency. Talking to uscg this time.</p><div><div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 16, 2016 10:51 AM, "gmc" <<a href="mailto:gmc@hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">gmc@hackerspaces.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Yay, drama. It's what hackers are best at! Bye bye mailing list.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 May 2016 18:26:04 CEST, Michael Turner <<a href="mailto:michael.eugene.turner@gmail.com" target="_blank">michael.eugene.turner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:55 AM, cole santos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cksantos85@gmail.com" target="_blank">cksantos85@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Actually we took the DarPA money and the project was a great success. <a href="http://Www.spacegambit.Com" target="_blank">Www.spacegambit.Com</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>A great success for some people, I suppose. In a certain sense.<br><br>I pick a project at random.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.spacegambit.org/satstatsim/" target="_blank">http://www.spacegambit.org/satstatsim/</a></div><div><div><br></div><div>Funding: $20,000<br><br>SpaceGAMBIT claim: only open source projects will be funded.<div><br></div><div>Reality: well, ta!
ke a
look.<br><br> <a href="http://satstatsim.blogspot.jp/" target="_blank">http://satstatsim.blogspot.jp/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Excuse: "schedules slip". OK, but you can't check in any code, anywhere?</div><div><br> <a href="https://code.google.com/archive/p/satstatsim/source" target="_blank">https://code.google.com/archive/p/satstatsim/source</a><br><br>At least, that's the only repo I could find.</div></div></div><div><br></div><div>There's nothing in it.</div><div><br></div><div>It was largely because of my concerns about openness, clear communication, democratic process, and leadership accountability that I decided to have nothing further to do with SpaceGAMBIT. This was after feeling enthusiastic about it and even defending it against what I thought was unfair criticism.</div><div><br></div><div>Really, I'd prefer to have been wrong in my suspicions.</div><div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div>Regards,<br>Michael Turner<br>Executive Director<br>Project Persephone<br>K-1 bldg 3F<br>7-2-6 Nishishinjuku<br>Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023<br>Tel: <a href="tel:%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1140" value="+81368901140" target="_blank">+81 (3) 6890-1140</a><br>Fax: <a href="tel:%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1158" value="+81368901158" target="_blank">+81 (3) 6890-1158</a><br>Mobile: <a href="tel:%2B81%20%2890%29%205203-8682" value="+819052038682" target="_blank">+81 (90) 5203-8682</a><br><a href="mailto:turner@projectpersephone.org" target="_blank">turner@projectpersephone.org</a><br><a href="http://www.projectpersephone.org/" target="_blank">http://www.projectpersephone.org/</a><br><br>"Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry</div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><br>On Monday, May 16, 2016, Michael P Weber II <<a href="mailto:michaelweberii@gmail.com" target="_blank">michaelweberii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 3:05 AM, Michael Turner<br>
<<a>michael.eugene.turner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Whether intentional or not, the choice of watercress could be very<br>
> space-relevant.<br>
><br>
> (1) Biosphere II saw the direct participation of the late Roy Walford, MD, a<br>
> pioneer self-experimenter in CRON (calorie restriction with optimal<br>
> nutrition) as a strategy for life extension. This research interested the<br>
> Biosphere II organizers because, in feeding long-duration space mission<br>
> participants, fewer calories eaten means, to a good first approximation,<br>
> less mass for the ecological life support system, leading to lower mission<br>
> cost, etc.<br>
><br>
> (2) Research into how CRON appears to increase lifespans (in part by<br>
> reducing cancer risk -- a big issue in space travel because of space<br>
> radiation) reveals that it's more about protein restriction than about<br>
> calorie restriction per se.<br>
><br>
> (3) Further research has suggested that it's specifically reduction of<br>
> methionine intake that is the main driver of life extension in CRON (hence,<br>
> presumably, lower cancer risk);<br>
><br>
> (4) High-glycine diets sop up excess methionine. (To be sure: methionine is<br>
> an essential amino acid; glycine is not. But it seems that with methionine,<br>
> you can get too much of a good thing.)<br>
><br>
> (5) Watercress is very high in glycine, quite low in methionine. Watercress<br>
> might be ideal for offsetting the cancer risks from space radiation in<br>
> long-duration space missions.<br>
><br>
> I think a good next step in such work would be to try to optimize watercress<br>
> production in an aeroponic rather than a hydroponic style. Hydroponics is<br>
> great, highly productive, but ... water is heavy. Aeroponics can give you<br>
> much of the benefit of hydroponics but with a fraction of the equipment<br>
> mass. Aeroponics should be more adaptable to low-g and microgravity<br>
> environments since it's not gravity-dependent -- it's basically just the<br>
> deposition of nutrient-enriched mist droplets on plant roots. Aeroponics may<br>
> have gotten its start from NASA funding.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Michael Turner<br>
> Executive Director<br>
> Project Persephone<br>
> K-1 bldg 3F<br>
> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku<br>
> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023<br>
> Tel: <a href="tel:%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1140" value="+81368901140" target="_blank">+81 (3) 6890-1140</a><br>
> Fax: <a href="tel:%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1158" value="+81368901158" target="_blank">+81 (3) 6890-1158</a><br>
> Mobile: <a href="tel:%2B81%20%2890%29%205203-8682" value="+819052038682" target="_blank">+81 (90) 5203-8682</a><br>
> <a>turner@projectpersephone.org</a><br>
> <a href="http://www.projectpersephone.org/" target="_blank">http://www.projectpersephone.org/</a><br>
><br>
> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward<br>
> together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry<br>
><br>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Michael Turner<br>
<br>
<br>
Michael,<br>
<br>
Are you going to take over the list then?<br>
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