[foodhackingbase] future possibilities and directions for food hacking base

[Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck]

Hello,
here it comes, answers as ###

On 2015-02-23 02:52, Christian Pfaab wrote:
> Hej,
> 
> On 02/22/2015 08:54 AM, Kai Du wrote:
>> thank you and/or sorry for having this discussion started. Fact is, 
>> that
>> I am really excited being involved with the FHB for several reasons:
>> First is, I am trying to come to the chaos communication camp in 
>> summer.
>> My first C3-event. I really look forward to meet some of you FHB folks
>> and some podcast community members.
> 
> The discussion is long overdue I think. More in a direction tho in what
> way FHB should evolve.
> 
> And it will be awesome on camp :)
> 
>> I cook for almost all my life and invent recipes for quite a while 
>> now.
>> If there was a chance to get a financial model to work for paid 
>> members
>> of the FHB I would be interested, too. My job situation changes 
>> rapidly
>> in summer and I always dreamt of working with food for money. Though I
>> am aware of the fact, that nobody (except alex) met me before of the
>> existing crew and maybe a lot of core members would be interested in a
>> job too.
> 
> I think we maybe should start thinking about what is realistic as
> income? What needs to be paid in taxes, what needs to be paid in
> insurances. My guess is, we get 20k Euro/year per job as expenses fast.
> And we are not talking about giving someone 20k Euro/year, but more 1k
> euro/month. Rest is (legally required) overhead.
> 
> In contrast to that, how much money do we have raised yet? Have we hit
> the 10k Euro mark in total yet?

### We did not hit 10 k Euro mark per year yet, but I think soon we 
will, most likely this year.

> Marcel mentioned going out with a plus of a few hundred euros for 31c3.
> Sorry to say this, I see no way to finance someone from that. In
> contrast Boxes fall apart by looking at them, so that is where some
> money must be spent sooner or later. If we damage someones food
> processor at an event, I would be happy to that person for a new one.
> We, as I understand it, have no finances to do that currently.

### Yes our plus numbers after the events when all is closed are in 
hundreds of euros, that should increase at least a bit even if it is 
suppose to go all to our fhb budget for next events and keeping things 
going in the meanwhile.

>> Returning to Frantiseks question about finance I think the 
>> crowdfunding
>> idea is really nice. I read, there was a successfull funding of the
>> recent C3-activities. So there is a proof of concept this could work. 
>> I
>> guess, there is something that needs to be offered in return to make 
>> the
>> quite larger budget for paying people a loan realistic. I wondered, if 
>> a
>> audio/video podcast about food hacking could be a decent teaser for a
>> successfull project. I would apply for head of production, 
>> coordinating
>> recordings and editing of audio/video stuff around the world. I´ve got
>> some experiance in that. This could be the step from few events on C3
>> meetings to a larger scale and promotion for a larger community, too.
> 
> That would be awesome. Keep in mind FHB has basicly no gear yet (unless
> something has changed dramatically).

### Concerning video and audio devices we are at the zero, 
unfortunately.

>> Excuse me, I may be completely wrong suggesting this. This community 
>> may
>> stay a forum, in which ideas are exchanged and financial aspects are
>> secondary. I would love to do a lot of food hacking, this way or 
>> other.
>> Please share your thoughts.
> 
> 
> Financial aspects are raised quite often in terms of "how to fund next
> event".
> 
> In short, I doubt FHB is the right place to create jobs as it is right
> now. IMHO we lack too much structure and have our homework to do in 
> that
> direction if we want to handle employees/give out money w/o doing it in
> a shady way. I think we even lack decent ways of organizing ourselves 
> to
> get us through events in a sustainable matter and not be dependent on
> goodwill.

### we are improving with the self organization, it was the main point 
from the 31c3 to improve for the camp, we definitely need to focus on 
that.

> Take ohm2013 as a great example. Fenkt saved our lives by giving us
> power and tools. Stuff got carried to next event. How? Well someone 
> took
> care of it. We learned from that, make sure fenkt is around at next 
> event :)

### Fenkt helped a lot, also I believe we will do much better because it 
will be our third camp and second independent when we have to relay on 
ourselves only. Similar improvements can be seen at CCC congresses even 
when we are moved to new location each year and have to adjust at the 
spot which is not exactly easy when you have budget planned for some 
completely different environment ...

> Same with C3 events. Frantisek glues a lot together, and if he would 
> not
> manage it, I would not be suprised that it suddenly turns out to be
> really hard. We borrow cameras and gear, we somehow make it work. 
> Marcel
> has been a most excellent peer since ohm and Daan is most excellent 
> too.
> All in all, it is many helping hands.

### Thanks, yes many people helping out, we definitely need to get asap 
to the point when if I'm not around it will still happen in a fine way, 
so more people involved is necessary before and during the event.

> We are a good example of a somewhat chaotic group, that comes together
> for various reasons every now and then. Some work on different projects
> during events, some between events, some do other stuff. It all works
> out and it gives us a special flair.

### yes :-)

> Come over to camp. Meet many nice folks. Help us work on issues you 
> see,
> bring your ideas and maybe we can help you. In the end I am sure it 
> will
> have a positive outcome :)
> 
> Cheers,
> chris

### Yes meeting at the camp would be lovely,

### Thanks Christian,

### Frantisek

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Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck

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