[foodhackingbase] future possibilities and directions for food hacking base

[Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck]

Hi to all and Kai,
well I'm glad you have wrote the email and as for the euphoric mood, 
something what I'm gratefuller for these days :-)

You probably got a hint a bit about how do we function now/or not, which 
is plus. Meeting at the summer sounds good but I definitely hope we can 
do some stuff before than.

 From my point of view the discussion showed that some wage system to pay 
for general management of fhb activities and preparations for the 
international events is not desired at the moment and nearby future. 
That is something what we more or less expected I think as a group to 
find out. Now the questions is if we can find ways how to keep fhb 
growing and happy and still get some resources for projects which we 
would like to do. It seems to me that the system of "associated groups" 
as we did here in Jeju with Dancing Drops may be the way. You have 
associated group/organization with fhb mother organization which can 
functions as an umbrella and you can use for example some of the fhb 
resources like wikies, online storage place (an example) and importantly 
the community resources when you for example decide to run crowdsourcing 
campaign for your projects, which budgets are designed to give you also 
resources for your living expenses, and some percentage to the fhb 
mother organization to make sure it can grow further.

Anyway the later model seems to me as an option which would be 
interesting, I would like to think about that bit more and post about 
that in a few weeks or so.

Thanks to all for the comments, I think we have few points down which we 
should compile and go through them bit further, I will try to put it on 
the wiki soon.

Talk to you soon,

Sincerely,

FAA

On 2015-02-25 22:50, Kai Du wrote:
> Hi Chris,
> 
> thanks for your replies. I wrote my post in some euphoric mood
> (slightly drunk, to be honest).
> Obviously I didn´t have a clue about how the FHB works.
> Let´s all meet in summer, eat, talk and collect ideas.
> 
> Greetings,
> Kai
> 
> Am 22.02.2015 um 18:52 schrieb Christian Pfaab:
>> Hej,
>> 
>> On 02/22/2015 08:54 AM, Kai Du wrote:
>>> thank you and/or sorry for having this discussion started. Fact is, 
>>> that
>>> I am really excited being involved with the FHB for several reasons:
>>> First is, I am trying to come to the chaos communication camp in 
>>> summer.
>>> My first C3-event. I really look forward to meet some of you FHB 
>>> folks
>>> and some podcast community members.
>> The discussion is long overdue I think. More in a direction tho in 
>> what
>> way FHB should evolve.
>> 
>> And it will be awesome on camp :)
>> 
>>> I cook for almost all my life and invent recipes for quite a while 
>>> now.
>>> If there was a chance to get a financial model to work for paid 
>>> members
>>> of the FHB I would be interested, too. My job situation changes 
>>> rapidly
>>> in summer and I always dreamt of working with food for money. Though 
>>> I
>>> am aware of the fact, that nobody (except alex) met me before of the
>>> existing crew and maybe a lot of core members would be interested in 
>>> a
>>> job too.
>> I think we maybe should start thinking about what is realistic as
>> income? What needs to be paid in taxes, what needs to be paid in
>> insurances. My guess is, we get 20k Euro/year per job as expenses 
>> fast.
>> And we are not talking about giving someone 20k Euro/year, but more 1k
>> euro/month. Rest is (legally required) overhead.
>> 
>> In contrast to that, how much money do we have raised yet? Have we hit
>> the 10k Euro mark in total yet?
>> 
>> 
>> Marcel mentioned going out with a plus of a few hundred euros for 
>> 31c3.
>> Sorry to say this, I see no way to finance someone from that. In
>> contrast Boxes fall apart by looking at them, so that is where some
>> money must be spent sooner or later. If we damage someones food
>> processor at an event, I would be happy to that person for a new one.
>> We, as I understand it, have no finances to do that currently.
>> 
>>> Returning to Frantiseks question about finance I think the 
>>> crowdfunding
>>> idea is really nice. I read, there was a successfull funding of the
>>> recent C3-activities. So there is a proof of concept this could work. 
>>> I
>>> guess, there is something that needs to be offered in return to make 
>>> the
>>> quite larger budget for paying people a loan realistic. I wondered, 
>>> if a
>>> audio/video podcast about food hacking could be a decent teaser for a
>>> successfull project. I would apply for head of production, 
>>> coordinating
>>> recordings and editing of audio/video stuff around the world. I´ve 
>>> got
>>> some experiance in that. This could be the step from few events on C3
>>> meetings to a larger scale and promotion for a larger community, too.
>> That would be awesome. Keep in mind FHB has basicly no gear yet 
>> (unless
>> something has changed dramatically).
>> 
>>> Excuse me, I may be completely wrong suggesting this. This community 
>>> may
>>> stay a forum, in which ideas are exchanged and financial aspects are
>>> secondary. I would love to do a lot of food hacking, this way or 
>>> other.
>>> Please share your thoughts.
>> 
>> Financial aspects are raised quite often in terms of "how to fund next
>> event".
>> 
>> In short, I doubt FHB is the right place to create jobs as it is right
>> now. IMHO we lack too much structure and have our homework to do in 
>> that
>> direction if we want to handle employees/give out money w/o doing it 
>> in
>> a shady way. I think we even lack decent ways of organizing ourselves 
>> to
>> get us through events in a sustainable matter and not be dependent on
>> goodwill.
>> 
>> Take ohm2013 as a great example. Fenkt saved our lives by giving us
>> power and tools. Stuff got carried to next event. How? Well someone 
>> took
>> care of it. We learned from that, make sure fenkt is around at next 
>> event :)
>> 
>> Same with C3 events. Frantisek glues a lot together, and if he would 
>> not
>> manage it, I would not be suprised that it suddenly turns out to be
>> really hard. We borrow cameras and gear, we somehow make it work. 
>> Marcel
>> has been a most excellent peer since ohm and Daan is most excellent 
>> too.
>> All in all, it is many helping hands.
>> 
>> We are a good example of a somewhat chaotic group, that comes together
>> for various reasons every now and then. Some work on different 
>> projects
>> during events, some between events, some do other stuff. It all works
>> out and it gives us a special flair.
>> 
>> Come over to camp. Meet many nice folks. Help us work on issues you 
>> see,
>> bring your ideas and maybe we can help you. In the end I am sure it 
>> will
>> have a positive outcome :)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> chris
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