[hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: Hacking, making, learning?

[Markos]

Dear Hellekin,

I understand, we agree that something needs to be done to change the 
course of things and to avoid, or at least, minimize the negative 
consequences of the current economic model.

Negative effects that will be felt mainly by the poorest.

I think the difference is in the way each one acts.

Some people engage in macro-scale strategies, while others, like me, are 
more dedicated to micro-scale actions. Or nano-scale :-)

I think all of these strategies are important. And respect all 
initiatives to improve people's quality of life.

Please, let me just comment one more question about Waters.

In the last message i talked about the importance of acting in the "risk 
perception" about the theme Water with analytical devices.

Now I would like to comment on the "perceived value" 
(www.investopedia.com/terms/p/perceived-value.asp) of sewage.

People, generally, just discard sewage and consider it worthless, and 
spend an important part of their income to buy energy mainly for cooking 
and heating.

Now imagine "affordable", "optimized" and "automated" biodigesters 
projects for "home use" converting black water (sewage) and food waste 
to biogas (at home).

Wouldn't it be a way to to influence the "perception of value" of sewage 
and thus contribute to reducing the organic load of domestic sewage?

Many people, perhaps the majority, would be interested only in saving 
money spent on energy.

But everyone could benefit from reducing the organic load that reaches 
rivers and consequently the pollution, at some level, of some urban rivers.

Especially in the poorest regions.

Thanks for the references to the projects.

I didn't know about these initiatives.

And thank you for your attention and contributions.

All the best,
Markos


Em 23-09-2020 05:30, hellekin escreveu:
> Markos,
>
> I completely agree with you that given the right tools ordinary people
> will "do the chemistry". Yet with information alone we cannot change
> anything. Before the Snowden Apocalypse we knew something was wrong, and
> Snowden brought the proof: yet seven years later, not much has changed
> and if the struggle works down the line of breaking systems, its pace
> remains relatively slow compared with the harm broken out to the world
> by powerful systems ; even inertia beats the good waves any time. For
> years, we've had pollution measurement kits
> (https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=pollution&go=Go),
> water-oriented hackerspaces (Yachachiq in Peru, Hackerfleet, Waterspace
> in the Philippines), yet no single coordinated action has taken place
> like for blinkenlights or hackerspace hardware, the space program or
> microcontrollers: there's an attention-shifting issue at work here.
> Despite the yearly radical shake up of CCC, few inter-hackerspace
> projects focus on matters of life, except maybe in threatened places
> where such matters do count right now.
>
> I was only questioning the quotes around (water) "for all": were you
> quoting something I missed, or expressing some kind of limitation on the
> outreach of "for all"?
>
> Cheers,
>
> ==
> hk
>
>
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