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<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">Dear
Hellekin,<br>
</span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">I
understand, we agree that something needs to be done to change
the course of things and to avoid, or at least, minimize </span><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title=""
class="">the negative consequences of the current economic
model.</span></span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">Negative
effects that will be felt mainly by the poorest. <br>
</span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">I think the
difference is in the way each one acts.<br>
</span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">Some people
engage in macro-scale strategies, while others, like me, are
more dedicated to micro-scale actions. Or nano-scale :-)<br>
</span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">I think all
of these strategies are important. <span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title=""
class="">And respect all initiatives to </span></span></span><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title=""
class=""><span class="tlid-translation translation"
lang="en"><span title="" class="">improve people's quality
of life</span></span>.</span></span></span><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">Please, let
</span><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title=""
class="">me just comment one more question</span></span>
about Waters.</span><br>
<span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"></span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">In the last
message </span><span class="tlid-translation translation"
lang="en"><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
title="" class="">i talked about</span></span> the
importance of acting in the "risk perception" about the theme
Water with analytical devices.<br>
</span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title=""
class="">Now I would like to comment on </span></span>the
"perceived value"
(<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/perceived-value.asp">www.investopedia.com/terms/p/perceived-value.asp</a>) of sewage.<br>
</span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">People, </span><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title="">generally,</span></span>
</span><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title=""
class="">just discard sewage</span></span> </span><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title=""
class="">and consider it worthless</span></span><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">, and spend an
important part of their income to buy energy mainly for cooking
and heating.<br>
</span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">Now imagine
"affordable", "</span><span class="tlid-translation translation"
lang="en"><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
title="" class="">optimized" and "automated"</span></span>
biodigesters projects for "home use" converting black water
(sewage) and food waste to biogas (at home).<br>
</span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title=""
class="">Wouldn't it be a way to</span></span> to influence
the "perception of value" of sewage and thus contribute to
reducing the organic load of domestic sewage?</span><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title=""
class=""><br>
</span></span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
title="" class="">Many people, perhaps the majority, would be
interested only in </span></span><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title=""
class=""><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
title="" class="">saving money spent on energy.</span></span>
<br>
</span></span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">But everyone
could benefit from reducing the organic load that reaches rivers
</span><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title=""
class="">and consequently the pollution, </span></span></span><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span
class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"><span title=""
class=""><span class="tlid-translation translation"
lang="en"><span title="" class="">at some level,</span></span>
of some urban rivers.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">Especially
in the poorest regions.<br>
</span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">Thanks for
the references to the projects.<br>
</span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">I didn't
know about these initiatives.</span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en"></span></p>
<p><span class="tlid-translation translation" lang="en">And thank
you for your attention and contributions.</span></p>
All the best,<br>
Markos<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Em 23-09-2020 05:30, hellekin escreveu:<br>
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cite="mid:b0a56ede-73a9-69a8-2882-1c08bc4f0f83@dyne.org">
<pre wrap="">Markos,
I completely agree with you that given the right tools ordinary people
will "do the chemistry". Yet with information alone we cannot change
anything. Before the Snowden Apocalypse we knew something was wrong, and
Snowden brought the proof: yet seven years later, not much has changed
and if the struggle works down the line of breaking systems, its pace
remains relatively slow compared with the harm broken out to the world
by powerful systems ; even inertia beats the good waves any time. For
years, we've had pollution measurement kits
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=pollution&go=Go">https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=pollution&go=Go</a>),
water-oriented hackerspaces (Yachachiq in Peru, Hackerfleet, Waterspace
in the Philippines), yet no single coordinated action has taken place
like for blinkenlights or hackerspace hardware, the space program or
microcontrollers: there's an attention-shifting issue at work here.
Despite the yearly radical shake up of CCC, few inter-hackerspace
projects focus on matters of life, except maybe in threatened places
where such matters do count right now.
I was only questioning the quotes around (water) "for all": were you
quoting something I missed, or expressing some kind of limitation on the
outreach of "for all"?
Cheers,
==
hk
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