[hackerspaces] Classes and costs

Pete Prodoehl raster at gmail.com
Thu Jul 21 19:07:32 CEST 2016

There are no 1099s involved. We are a 501(c)3 with no employees, 
completely volunteer run. If you teach a class you can choose to charge 
for it, and then encouraged to donate to the space, but it is not 
required. (We use donations to cover equipment maintenance and 


On 7/21/16 11:40 AM, Silence Dogood wrote:
> I can't imagine this is really a huge issue for most classes.  Waivers 
> help.  Binding arbitration for the lulz. But I am pretty sure that if 
> you are filing 1099s for your teachers there is a corporate veil in 
> place, so they shouldn't be personally liable... of course such a 
> situation would be a huge hassle and likely cost some cash for 
> personal counsel, if something truly terrible did occur.
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Pete Prodoehl <raster at gmail.com 
> <mailto:raster at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     Because my space sometimes has gloom and doom people, someone
>     brought up the idea that if you charge for a class, you could be
>     held responsible if someone in the class gets injured. This would
>     be different than if you did *not* charge for a class because
>     there is no (or less?) expectation of responsibility if you are
>     not charging for your services/expertise.
>     I think the thought is that a student would try to sue you
>     personally versus the space, and there was a suggestion that
>     individuals who teach should get their own personal insurance that
>     would cover the teaching they do. (The space has its own insurance
>     and waiver/disclaimer forms that everyone signs.)
>     I am definitely not a lawyer, but I'd love to hear what others
>     think of that idea. (And yes, I am in the overly-litigious United
>     States.)
>     Pete
>     On 7/21/16 10:42 AM, Silence Dogood wrote:
>>     one side benefit of charging for classes is allowing the class
>>     teachers to profit.  this can be particularly important for space
>>     members who need supplemental income to afford their dues or to
>>     get them by between contracts / gigs / what have you.
>>     On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:24 AM, webmind <webmind at puscii.nl
>>     <mailto:webmind at puscii.nl>> wrote:
>>         On 20/07/16 17:48, Chad Elish wrote:
>>         > Here’s a question for everyone,
>>         >
>>         > What do you normally charge for your classes?
>>         > I know its a big cash cow for spaces to make up income.
>>         Hmm, not here. I think most Dutch spaces mostly run on
>>         membership-income.
>>         Both spaces in Amsterdam do not have a set price, LAG
>>         generally asks
>>         donation Technologia Incognita mostly the same or people ask
>>         cost-price.
>>         IJHack (a "space" without a space) has been doing workshops
>>         to generate
>>         some income, I think they did twice the cost price to have a
>>         buffer of
>>         components or be able to share kits.
>>         > We’re currently at $40.00 for a learn to solder class which
>>         you take
>>         > home an arduino you soldered together. We recently noticed
>>         tech shop
>>         > charging $99 for soldering a blinking badge together.
>>         Do a lot of spaces elsewhere use workshops/services as a way of
>>         providing basic-income for the space? Do spaces have other models
>>         outside of services or membership to generate base-income?
>>         At LAG we're currently looking at alternative ways of
>>         generating income
>>         for the rent/etc.
>>         Thanks!
>>         webmind

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