[hackerspaces] Leadership abusing powers. Bullying. Extraordinary General Meetings.

[Tim Fredlund]

>
> Achievement "Godwin's Law" unlocked!


Welp, this admittedly long-winded discussion just hit its apex.

Tim Fredlund | @ethosrot | #tc

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Edward L Platt <ed at elplatt.com> wrote:

> Achievement "Godwin's Law" unlocked!
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Red Davies <noiddicle at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just wow...
>>
>> > > In a Hackerspace you volunteer to be a member until the bylaws as they
>> > > are written.  You are free to leave at any time.  When it comes to
>> >> government wanting to commit genocide of their own people those people
>> > > have no choice.
>>
>> > Who?  The German's didn't have a choice?
>>
>> Right... which is what I said:
>> "When it comes to government wanting to commit genocide of their own
>> people those people have no choice."
>>
>> Do you even parse sentences bro?
>>
>> > Blatant asskissing to look authoritative to others on the list.
>>
>> Really?  Do you want to know how much I care about approval from
>> people on this list?
>>
>> /unsub
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Mark Rosenblitt-Janssen
>> <dreamingforward at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:51 PM, peter <phm at riseup.net> wrote:
>> >>> I beg to differ. I don't care what the 'law' says. I care about what
>> is the
>> >>> right/moral thing to do.
>> >>
>> >> I think we all care about what is "right/moral" Peter.  The issue of
>> >> course is that we disagree as to the right/moral thing to do in this
>> >> case.  The law is a parseable emotionless framework which is designed
>> >> to address this issue.  Is it perfect? no...
>> >
>> > The law is not an emotionless framework, quite the opposite.  This
>> > attitude is what has made *apathy* the dominant political mode.
>> >
>> >>> If your government starts committing genocide, would you say 'oh
>> well, they
>> >>> passed a law to make it legal, so there is nothing I can do?'.
>> >>
>> >> I'm actually really disappointed with you that you erected that
>> >> specific straw-man.  You seem very intelligent so you know already in
>> >> advance why your argument is made of straw.
>> >
>> > You are filled with utter horseshit.  Peter just p0wned your ass.  Let
>> > it be known that Red Davies is a bot (a STRAW MAN?).
>> >
>> >> In a Hackerspace you volunteer to be a member until the bylaws as they
>> >> are written.  You are free to leave at any time.  When it comes to
>> >> government wanting to commit genocide of their own people those people
>> >> have no choice.
>> >
>> > Who?  The German's didn't have a choice?
>> >
>> >>>The problem is people who don't like being told why they're wrong.
>> >>
>> >> Sure, nobody does.
>> >
>> > Not true again.  But perhaps you don't like to be told you're wrong.
>> >
>> >>> Why don't they be all chill and just ignore me?
>> >>
>> >> ... because as leaders of the organization they have to show
>> >> leadership and deal with PR.
>> >
>> > Leadership has nothing to do with these.
>> >
>> >> There are what, over a thousand members of LHS.  Let's just take 1000
>> >> as a round number.  If every member were to take up as much resources
>> >> as you are then there wouldn't be an LHS.  That doesn't mean that
>> >> people shouldn't engage or shouldn't complain.  It means that people
>> >> should respect those people's time and not waste it over thrown away
>> >> pasta.
>> >>
>> >> Proportionality please.
>> >
>> > It's called a filter or to those from the old school: a "kill file".
>> >
>> >> That's it.  Please respect the time of the volunteers.  They sacrifice
>> >> their own project time so others can work on theirs.
>> >
>> > Blatant asskissing to look authoritative to others on the list.
>> >
>> > Marxos
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