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If you listen to the interview I posted you will learn Ada were there to
get a talk pulled even before the con and brought a reported with them!

They did not know the title and subject of the talk before hand.

She also lied about a rape victim been  at the Con and been concerned about
the talk.
On Sep 23, 2014 11:52 PM, "Randall Arnold" <randall.arnold at texrat.net>
wrote:

>  I never once stated that it was a mistake to approach the organizers, so
> please: no straw men.  I said I believe the final action taken was wrong in
> my opinion.  I stand by that.
>
> Violet's account of the incident is the more believable one in my opinion
> (again, I have zero involvement with either party) and one of her slides
> makes her position very clear.
>
> I abhor harassment in any form, but you won't be able to convince me that
> censorship and political correctness are valid solutions.  And I don't
> believe it was too late to discuss prefacing the talk with a quick
> disclaimer.  Obviously there was time for a talk on censorship.
>
> Randy
>
> On September 23, 2014 at 4:45 PM Kristin-Leigh Brezinski <
> okrysmastree at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> The organizers are ultimately responsible for the way they advertise
> and present the events at their conference, so I don't think it was a
> mistake to bring the issue directly to them. There's a disconnect
> between VB's description of what the talk actually is vs the way it
> was presented in the schedule, and ideally that could have been
> addressed rather than cancelling the talk outright, but it may have
> been too late in the game at that point.
>
> On 9/23/14, Randall Arnold <randall.arnold at texrat.net> wrote:
> > But instead of getting the talk killed outright, doesn't approaching the
> > speaker
> > openly and honestly to request she preface the talk with reasonable
> > disclaimers
> > make much more sense?
> >
> > I have no dog in this one so I'm being fairly objective I think when I
> > submit
> > that Violet was mistreated here. Fear over a provocative talk title
> > followed by
> > knee-jerking political correctness was not at all the answer.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >> On September 23, 2014 at 4:13 PM Kristin-Leigh Brezinski
> >> <okrysmastree at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> What was annoying about the Defcon penalty cards? I saw them as a
> >> clever
> >> way to bring attention to conference harassment issues and give people a
> >> low-stakes, humorous way to flag bad behavior.
> >>
> >> Re: Violet Blue, I think the whole thing got blown out of proportion,
> >> but
> >> really, who thought a talk titled "sex +/- drugs: known vulns and
> >> exploits"
> >> wouldn't raise red flags to a lot of women(/people in general)? Anyone
> >> who
> >> considers themselves enough of a wordsmith to play on puns like that
> >> should be
> >> open to criticism of the double-meanings in the terms they're invoking.
> >>
> >> AI isn't the only organization working on this stuff, but I very much
> >> appreciate any organization striving to make solid anti-harassment
> >> policies
> >> and codes of conduct a default at professional conferences, fan
> >> conventions,
> >> and hacker/makerspaces. Thanks for the post, Liz - I'll definitely keep
> >> this
> >> in mind when I evaluate the flexibility of my budgets end of month. :)
> >>
> >> - Kristin-Leigh
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:08 PM, matt < matt at nycresistor.com
> >> <mailto:matt at nycresistor.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > > Ada has been a pretty toxic member of the infosec
> >> > > community. Their stupid harassment cards at defcon were
> >> annoying,
> >> > > but the violet blue incident is but one of several incidents
> >> of
> >> > > manufacturing drama for PR. that sort of behavior is
> >> unacceptable
> >> > > in our community. And as you said... ada is a small org. 2
> >> people.
> >> > > so i don't see the culture of ada ever changing. I'd rather
> >> people
> >> > > invested in the gnome outreach program for women.
> >> >
> >> > https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen
> >> >
> >> > -matt
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Al Billings <
> >> > albill at openbuddha.com
> >> > <mailto:albill at openbuddha.com> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > > > Yes, the real problem that people care
> >> > about
> >> > > > > is that Valerie hates Violet Blue and it isn’t that
> >> > > > > Valerie, using her role in AI, got a sex-positive talk
> >> > by
> >> > > > > a woman cancelled at a conference because she didn’t
> >> > like
> >> > > > > it. Since she still runs AI and clearly nothing has
> >> > > > > changed, I’m not sure why you’re surprised that
> >> > people
> >> > > > > have a negative reaction.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Liz Henry <
> >> > > lizhenry at gmail.com
> >> > > <mailto:lizhenry at gmail.com> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > > > > Ada Initiative: A small non
> >> > > profit
> >> > > > > > > run by two people who once pissed off Violet
> >> > > Blue.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > >
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