<p dir="ltr">If you listen to the interview I posted you will learn Ada were there to get a talk pulled even before the con and brought a reported with them!</p>
<p dir="ltr">They did not know the title and subject of the talk before hand.</p>
<p dir="ltr">She also lied about a rape victim been at the Con and been concerned about the talk.</p>
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<p>I never once stated that it was a mistake to approach the organizers, so please: no straw men. I said I believe the final action taken was wrong in my opinion. I stand by that. </p>
<p>Violet's account of the incident is the more believable one in my opinion (again, I have zero involvement with either party) and one of her slides makes her position very clear.</p>
<p>I abhor harassment in any form, but you won't be able to convince me that censorship and political correctness are valid solutions. And I don't believe it was too late to discuss prefacing the talk with a quick disclaimer. Obviously there was time for a talk on censorship.</p>
<p>Randy</p>
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<p>On September 23, 2014 at 4:45 PM Kristin-Leigh Brezinski <<a href="mailto:okrysmastree@gmail.com" target="_blank">okrysmastree@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><br>The organizers are ultimately responsible for the way they advertise<br>and present the events at their conference, so I don't think it was a<br>mistake to bring the issue directly to them. There's a disconnect<br>between VB's description of what the talk actually is vs the way it<br>was presented in the schedule, and ideally that could have been<br>addressed rather than cancelling the talk outright, but it may have<br>been too late in the game at that point.<br><br>On 9/23/14, Randall Arnold <<a href="mailto:randall.arnold@texrat.net" target="_blank">randall.arnold@texrat.net</a>> wrote:<br>> But instead of getting the talk killed outright, doesn't approaching the<br>> speaker<br>> openly and honestly to request she preface the talk with reasonable<br>> disclaimers<br>> make much more sense?<br>><br>> I have no dog in this one so I'm being fairly objective I think when I<br>> submit<br>> that Violet was mistreated here. Fear over a provocative talk title<br>> followed by<br>> knee-jerking political correctness was not at all the answer.<br>><br>> Randy<br>><br>>> On September 23, 2014 at 4:13 PM Kristin-Leigh Brezinski<br>>> <<a href="mailto:okrysmastree@gmail.com" target="_blank">okrysmastree@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> What was annoying about the Defcon penalty cards? I saw them as a<br>>> clever<br>>> way to bring attention to conference harassment issues and give people a<br>>> low-stakes, humorous way to flag bad behavior.<br>>><br>>> Re: Violet Blue, I think the whole thing got blown out of proportion,<br>>> but<br>>> really, who thought a talk titled "sex +/- drugs: known vulns and<br>>> exploits"<br>>> wouldn't raise red flags to a lot of women(/people in general)? Anyone<br>>> who<br>>> considers themselves enough of a wordsmith to play on puns like that<br>>> should be<br>>> open to criticism of the double-meanings in the terms they're invoking.<br>>><br>>> AI isn't the only organization working on this stuff, but I very much<br>>> appreciate any organization striving to make solid anti-harassment<br>>> policies<br>>> and codes of conduct a default at professional conferences, fan<br>>> conventions,<br>>> and hacker/makerspaces. Thanks for the post, Liz - I'll definitely keep<br>>> this<br>>> in mind when I evaluate the flexibility of my budgets end of month. :)<br>>><br>>> - Kristin-Leigh<br>>><br>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:08 PM, matt < <a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>> > wrote:<br>>><br>>> > > Ada has been a pretty toxic member of the infosec<br>>> > > community. Their stupid harassment cards at defcon were<br>>> annoying,<br>>> > > but the violet blue incident is but one of several incidents<br>>> of<br>>> > > manufacturing drama for PR. that sort of behavior is<br>>> unacceptable<br>>> > > in our community. And as you said... ada is a small org. 2<br>>> people.<br>>> > > so i don't see the culture of ada ever changing. I'd rather<br>>> people<br>>> > > invested in the gnome outreach program for women.<br>>> ><br>>> > <a href="https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen" target="_blank">https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen</a><br>>> ><br>>> > -matt<br>>> ><br>>> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Al Billings <<br>>> > <a href="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com" target="_blank">albill@openbuddha.com</a><br>>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:albill@openbuddha.com" target="_blank">albill@openbuddha.com</a>> > wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> > > > > Yes, the real problem that people care<br>>> > about<br>>> > > > > is that Valerie hates Violet Blue and it isn’t that<br>>> > > > > Valerie, using her role in AI, got a sex-positive talk<br>>> > by<br>>> > > > > a woman cancelled at a conference because she didn’t<br>>> > like<br>>> > > > > it. Since she still runs AI and clearly nothing has<br>>> > > > > changed, I’m not sure why you’re surprised that<br>>> > people<br>>> > > > > have a negative reaction.<br>>> > ><br>>> > ><br>>> > > On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Liz Henry <<br>>> > > <a href="mailto:lizhenry@gmail.com" target="_blank">lizhenry@gmail.com</a><br>>> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:lizhenry@gmail.com" target="_blank">lizhenry@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<br>>> > ><br>>> > ><br>>> > > > > > > Ada Initiative: A small non<br>>> > > profit<br>>> > > > > > > run by two people who once pissed off Violet<br>>> > > Blue.<br>>> > > ><br>>> > > > > > ><br>>> > ><br>>> > > _______________________________________________<br>>> > > Discuss mailing list<br>>> > > <a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>>> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>><br>>> > > <a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>>> > ><br>>> > ><br>>> > > > ><br>>> ><br>>> > _______________________________________________<br>>> > Discuss mailing list<br>>> > <a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a>><br>>> > <a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > ><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Discuss mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org" target="_blank">Discuss@lists.hackerspaces.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss</a><br>>><br>><br>><br>><br></p>
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