[hackerspaces] Vaping in Spaces?

[Shirley Hicks]

Thanks for the input from all. I had asked to get a sense of how individual spaces were making the decision, simply because it has proved difficult.
Our state and city have not yet clarified this, so it is up to individual organizations to determined their own policies. Needless to say, the local results have varied.

-- Shirley Hicks
Red Mountain Makers

On Oct 8, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Volatile Compound <volatilecompound at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, let's make this easy:
> 
> Go with whatever local ordinances may apply at the hackerspace in question.
> 
> Some locales don't classify e-cigarettes the same way as tobacco; some
> do.  Follow that lead.
> 
> If some other decision needs to be reached, then come to it internally.
> 
> This is not something that requires group consensus to come to a
> resolution on, except perhaps within the hackerspace in question itself.
> 
> - skroo.
> 
> On 10/8/14 1:22 PM, Shirley Hicks wrote:
>> Before everyone has a jolly time veering off into the analogies, logic and digressions on the subject and ends at Godwin, may I respectfully request restraining input to that of answers to the original question? The thread is illustrating the sheer vexatiousness that vaping in shared spaces generates. So far, the answers to my original question have been useful in giving me a sense of what decisions other spaces are finding useful.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks! :)
>> 
>> Shirley Hicks
>> Red Mountain Makers.
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 8, 2014, at 3:10 PM, Volatile Compound <volatilecompound at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> If we're banning things based on smells, then the only logical thing to
>>> do is also adopt a policy requiring everyone to take a shower (with
>>> soap) before coming over to the hackerspace in addition to brushing
>>> their teeth.  Also, no farting in the hackerspace.  And for fuck's sake,
>>> WIPE PROPERLY.  It's 102 degrees out there today, but even if it was 40
>>> below that's still no excuse.
>>> 
>>> - skroo.
>>> 
>>> On 10/8/14 12:46 PM, JB Zurn wrote:
>>>> Note: It simplifies the discussion immensely if we focus on the facts.
>>>> It smells. Some people are bothered by smells.  
>>>> 
>>>> If I habitually brought my favorite liverwurst and onion sandwiches into
>>>> the hackerspace, I'd get complaints too. 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Matthew McCabe <matt at mrmccabe.com
>>>> <mailto:matt at mrmccabe.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   Warning: trolls ahead, use caution
>>>> 
>>>>   On Oct 8, 2014 11:38 AM, "John Q. Hacker" <dreamingforward at gmail.com
>>>>   <mailto:dreamingforward at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>       On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Matthew McCabe
>>>>       <matt at mrmccabe.com <mailto:matt at mrmccabe.com>> wrote:
>>>>> There is no documented medical evidence showing that vaping
>>>>       leads to any
>>>>> kind of harm to the person using the vaporizer or people
>>>>       inhaling the vapor
>>>>> 2nd hand.  (If you have some links to peer reviewed medical
>>>>       journals, I
>>>>> would love to read them.)
>>>> 
>>>>       The speaker above is a Matrix construct for the e-cig industry.  "No
>>>>       evidence that vaping leads to any kind of harm" is that EXACT same
>>>>       argument Philip J. Morris and companies used to get out of any
>>>>       liability of lung cancer for promoting cigarettes ("There is no
>>>>       medical evidence that cigarettes cause lung cancer.").
>>>> 
>>>>       Just in case you missed the fallacy:  no evidence against (P ->
>>>>       Q) is
>>>>       not the same as ~Q, given P.  Q being some bad consequence of
>>>>       vaping,
>>>>       and P being vaping itself.  The rest of his diatribe is purely
>>>>       made to
>>>>       gain your trust ("I have a hackerspace ATX", "Be sure to check your
>>>>       local laws", etc.)
>>>> 
>>>>       Logic-is-good,  evil is bad.  Get clued-in and follow the
>>>>       OneTruePath.
>>>> 
>>>>       Marxos
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