[hackerspaces] Fwd: Vaping in Spaces?

[Volatile Compound]

See, that's the reasonable thing to do.  Unfortunately, someone asked
the question on this list, and, well, it all went to hell from there in
a handbasket of opinion in lieu of just using common sense.

But, hey, inboxes are for email, amirite?

- skroo.

On 10/8/14 1:15 PM, Tim Krabec wrote:
> Why is there such a big discussion about this.  Talk to your local
> members, figure out what is right for YOUR space, then put in some
> rules, look at them in few months to a year and see if it still makes
> sense.  Then be polite to visitors who may not know your policy.  If
> your visiting a space, ask what their rules are. 
> 
> 
> 
> Tim Krabec
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> Bio <http://timkrabec.brandyourself.com/>
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:12 PM, matt <matt at nycresistor.com
> <mailto:matt at nycresistor.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Uhm...   do people allow people into their space who haven't
>     bathed?  That seems insane.
> 
>     On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Volatile Compound
>     <volatilecompound at gmail.com <mailto:volatilecompound at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>         If we're banning things based on smells, then the only logical
>         thing to
>         do is also adopt a policy requiring everyone to take a shower (with
>         soap) before coming over to the hackerspace in addition to brushing
>         their teeth.  Also, no farting in the hackerspace.  And for
>         fuck's sake,
>         WIPE PROPERLY.  It's 102 degrees out there today, but even if it
>         was 40
>         below that's still no excuse.
> 
>         - skroo.
> 
>         On 10/8/14 12:46 PM, JB Zurn wrote:
>         > Note: It simplifies the discussion immensely if we focus on the facts.
>         > It smells. Some people are bothered by smells.
>         >
>         > If I habitually brought my favorite liverwurst and onion sandwiches into
>         > the hackerspace, I'd get complaints too.
>         >
>         > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Matthew McCabe <matt at mrmccabe.com <mailto:matt at mrmccabe.com>
>         > <mailto:matt at mrmccabe.com <mailto:matt at mrmccabe.com>>> wrote:
>         >
>         >     Warning: trolls ahead, use caution
>         >
>         >     On Oct 8, 2014 11:38 AM, "John Q. Hacker" <dreamingforward at gmail.com <mailto:dreamingforward at gmail.com>
>         >     <mailto:dreamingforward at gmail.com <mailto:dreamingforward at gmail.com>>>
>         wrote:
>         >
>         >         On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Matthew McCabe
>         >         <matt at mrmccabe.com <mailto:matt at mrmccabe.com>
>         <mailto:matt at mrmccabe.com <mailto:matt at mrmccabe.com>>> wrote:
>         >         > There is no documented medical evidence showing that
>         vaping
>         >         leads to any
>         >         > kind of harm to the person using the vaporizer or people
>         >         inhaling the vapor
>         >         > 2nd hand.  (If you have some links to peer reviewed
>         medical
>         >         journals, I
>         >         > would love to read them.)
>         >
>         >         The speaker above is a Matrix construct for the e-cig
>         industry.  "No
>         >         evidence that vaping leads to any kind of harm" is
>         that EXACT same
>         >         argument Philip J. Morris and companies used to get
>         out of any
>         >         liability of lung cancer for promoting cigarettes
>         ("There is no
>         >         medical evidence that cigarettes cause lung cancer.").
>         >
>         >         Just in case you missed the fallacy:  no evidence
>         against (P ->
>         >         Q) is
>         >         not the same as ~Q, given P.  Q being some bad
>         consequence of
>         >         vaping,
>         >         and P being vaping itself.  The rest of his diatribe
>         is purely
>         >         made to
>         >         gain your trust ("I have a hackerspace ATX", "Be sure
>         to check your
>         >         local laws", etc.)
>         >
>         >         Logic-is-good,  evil is bad.  Get clued-in and follow the
>         >         OneTruePath.
>         >
>         >         Marxos
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